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Q4004
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:18 pm
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| KRviator wrote: | "Are 10,000 people going to think I'm a tool when they read this?" If the answer is Yes, or even maybe, then perhaps you should reconsider posting it.
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youre a tool
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 5:46 pm
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| KRviator wrote: | "Are 10,000 people going to think I'm a tool when they read this?" If the answer is Yes, or even maybe, then perhaps you should reconsider posting it.
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youre a tool |
you lost it there, NR103_Pacnat
You were supposed to ask yourself whether other people, all 10,000 of our active membership, will think you are bit vacant in the centre of the cranium if you hit the submit button.
Calling KRviatior a tool, simply tells us you are immature, and probably under the age limit for Railpage Australia™.
You are over 13, aren't you?
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David Peters
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:21 pm
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One should always remember this quote 'Let he who is with out sin, cast the first stone'! If any of you younger ones on here do not know what it means ask your oldies to explain! 
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The opinions expressed by my me in these posts is not the opinion of the N.R.M. and should not be construed as such.
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drwaddles
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:00 pm
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I swear I originally read NR103_PacNat's post as "you are not a tool" - maybe he edited it later?
Then again, he is a tool, so I'm probably overestimating him...
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Grantham
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gregrudd
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KRviator
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:42 am
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IT isn't entirely subjudice, but also out of respect for those who have been involved, or who may be involved in the incident under discussion.. We obviously have more than a handful of traincrew on these boards, and the chances are that sometime, someone here will have a fatality.
I've had a few near-misses and while I can handle the intentional ones, kids playing chicken and the like, some things touch a nerve with me. If I was to hit someone, the last thing I want to read on here is some foamer saying "omigorzzz, 5192 just killded sum1 at HBY! Blod and stuff everywhere!".
Even the posting of news articles contianing photo's of the accident, or of previous accidents, can be enough to bring back the memories that someone would just rather forget and that's why we don't like to let threads on fatalities run on.
For those who still want to discuss it, please take the time to read the following, taken from The Herald Sun in Melbourne:
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Deaths haunt driver
Geoff Wilkinson
25 November 04
"ROB" wanted to be a train driver from the time he was six. He joined the railways as a junior clerk at 15. His father was a railwayman, a shift electrician in the old manual sub-stations. "I saw what shift work did to him. We're social outcasts, but it didn't put me off," Rob says. What may have finally put him off, though, is his extraordinary journey since he became a trainee driver in 1974, just before his 19th birthday.
Rob, who is 49 and off work on WorkCover, has hit and killed nine people while driving trains. He's hit another seven and not killed them. Only four of the nine fatalities were accidents. During one 18-month period on the suburban network in the late '90s, he killed five -- all but one were suicides.
He estimates that at least half of the 670 suburban drivers have suffered at least one fatality. He thinks the reasons for suicide may include drug use, gambling, mental health or social pressures. But he doesn't want to know why. "That's very dangerous ground for us. We have enough trouble dealing with the incident itself. "It doesn't do anything for me knowing that a person had a drug problem, or a medical condition or relationship issues. "All I know is this injury has been inflicted on me, and the sooner I come to terms with it and move on, the better."
But moving on has become harder.
Three times he has decided to walk away, but each time he reconsidered. Without counsellor Michael O'Neill's help, he says he could not have coped with the grief, anger and depression. August and September are bad months for him, he says, and have been for many years.
He closes his eyes as he recalls in graphic detail his first fatality, in 1977, on the 12.20 Geelong passenger train to Melbourne, when locomotive number T326 hit a white Valiant station wagon on the level crossing at Aircraft station.
"I can remember it quite vividly. I can even see the person inside it," he says, as tears well. "The detail just locks in and you can't get rid of it. "You can't shut it out, because that does a lot of damage. You have to try and contain it, package it and gently push it aside -- that's all you can do."
He credits improved counselling for keeping drivers on the rails. "In the old days we were expected to be men of steel with nerves of iron," he says. "You got no counselling, and if you had more than two or three days off there were questions asked."
In the late '80s Rob was part of the team that restructured driver training. These days, he says, the accident risks confronting drivers are addressed from day one.
He says people would be amazed how often drivers are confronted by cars stuck on crossings as a train approaches. "What do you think that does to us?" he says. "You come flying around a corner -- though even 30km/h is bad enough when it's unexpected -- and here's a car with kids in it, faces up to the window.
"You know you can't stop, and she can't go. What do you do? "We can't jump out. I don't want to see it, I don't want to hear it, but it's still going to happen. "I don't look any more," he says, covering his ears and showing how he ducks his head. His home is now his refuge. He has an unlisted phone and says he doesn't answer the door.
"It's part of my recovery, that people can't get to me. I've been down this track so many times. "It's the only thing that's left that still works -- to know that I'm in sanctuary when I'm at home and can try and switch everything else off.
"Can you imagine what my family has had to go through? "Sad, isn't it?"
Rob likes to remember the upside of his career, like driving the Spirit of Progress, the Southern Aurora, the Intercapital Daylight and the Gippslander, and his 10 years as a volunteer fireman on Puffing Billy.
Retiring age for train drivers is 55, but Rob may quit early.
"I may not go back this time. I don't know where I'm going," he said. |
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Johnmc
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:52 am
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| gregrudd wrote: |
Arh but you see Railpage Australia™™ is part of the Rail Industry!! According to the overactive imagination of some of the mods on this board. |
It's the exact opposite, and you know it. We've been accused of being stooges for Railcorp (and probably others) on at least 2 occasions.
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Gwiwer
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:59 am
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Railpage Australia™ is not a "part of the Rail Industry" as such but is very well known within the industry, used by many within it and read no doubt by an even larger number.
Why MYKI? It isn't mine and it's not a key.
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:39 pm
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There is an old discussion concerning the article in KR's post here. It might be worth revisiting.
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gregrudd
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:00 pm
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| Gwiwer wrote: | | Railpage Australia™™ is not a "part of the Rail Industry" as such but is very well known within the industry, used by many within it and read no doubt by an even larger number. |
Yes it is very well known and viewed with contempt by a lot of people within both the industry and preservation movement.
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dthead
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 1:14 pm
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All Railpage Australia™ members, and yes even Moderators are guests on a private server. And they make da rules, you abide by them. Simple really.
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