New Peco turnout motor PL-11

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avlisk Assistant Commissioner

Location: Laveen, AZ USA

On the back page of the latest AMRM is a Peco ad.  There is an item number PL-11, side mounted turnout motor. I've been looking for a way to power my Peco code 83 #5 turnouts with a surface mounted motor. Do you know if this PL-11 is made for these turnouts?

 
nadnerb_2000 Chief Commissioner

Location: between my hat and my shoe soles

I havent got the issue of AMRM in question, so I cant comment on that specific motor.

However in my experience peco motors fit both N and HO scale, in all codes of rail. I imagine it should not be a problem for PL-11.

At the same time, Peco for years has had a base plate for the motor which can be used on the surface. You screw it down, a plastic rod connects to the side lug of the point throwbar, and the motor goes on top of the baseplate. There are a number of products available which hide the point motor. Its a fairly common technique.

 
4464 Chief Commissioner

Location: Gone, like a fart in a fan factory!

OOOH LOOK WHAT I FOUND ON PECO'S WEBSITE!!!!

New side-mounting turnout motor, designed specifically for Peco OO/HO Setrack and Streamline Code 100, but will also be suitable for use with Peco OO/HO Streamline Code 75 and ’83 Line’, and with the Setrack/Streamline N gauge ranges. Ideal for those awkward, out-of-the-way locations on your layout, or where creating a hole in the baseboard underneath the turnout is not possible.

 
avlisk Assistant Commissioner

Location: Laveen, AZ USA

That's the same picture that's on the AMRN back cover. I've been to the Peco website, Products, 00/HO, but only get a cryptic list of products. No pictures or descriptions. Do you have a link for this computer-challenged guy where you found this photo and description?

 
B 67 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland

Funnily enough, these appeared in last years Peco catalogue. Yet I hadn't taken any notice of them until I saw the AMRM ad.  Almost seems a backward step, but then again, I'm sure they will be very useful in many situations. The standard Peco point motor is rather awkward for above the baseboard situations.

They look much more compact than most other side-mounted point motors too. I've just begun building another layout (it's time) and shall incorporate quite a few as well as the old under the board units.

 
B 67 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland

That's the same picture that's on the AMRN back cover. I've been to the Peco website, Products, 00/HO, but only get a cryptic list of products. No pictures or descriptions. Do you have a link for this computer-challenged guy where you found this photo and description?

- avlisk

Try "Products" > "Product News" and scroll down.

 
avlisk Assistant Commissioner

Location: Laveen, AZ USA

As with the Atlas motors,  they have become quite small in comparison with the old code 100 ones, so I've been using the code 83 Atlas ones in a few places on the main line that are more hidden. It's an easier installation than the under-table Tortoise or BluePoint that I have. However, for staging and the aforementioned obscurred applications, I really like the ease of installation. I just haven't seen any reference to their being compatible with the USA code 83 that Peco sells. A previous post here says they are OK with code 83, but my understanding is that Peco makes different track for different parts of the world, albeit all code 83. Sleeper spacing or other factors might inhibit the installation. I just want to know for sure before I lay out the money for them.

 
avlisk Assistant Commissioner

Location: Laveen, AZ USA

Thanks B67. That was too easy. Boy, I feel stupid, I think I'll go back to bed.

 
B 67 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland

4464 quoted from the Peco website. If Peco says it is suitable for their code 83 line (and they do) then it will be. Looking at the image, unless there is an issue with sleeper spacing, then I can see no reason why they wouldn't work.  If the sleeper spacing is a problem then I imagine only minor modification would be needed.

I'll compare the sleepers between the US 83 turnouts and the code 100 or 75 ones tomorrow.

 
avlisk Assistant Commissioner

Location: Laveen, AZ USA

You make a good point. I see there are holes to nail or screw the machine down, so it could be mounted irrespective of sleeper spacing.  I think even the Atlas machines could work, but the internal spring in the Peco points would have to be removed for the wimpy Atlas machine to throw the bar, I am guessing. I bet the Peco will have the same issue, but that's only a very uneducated guess. I will move on with my life now. (which means shovel out from under 4 feet of snow!!!)  And thanks for all the support.

 
Bigwato Chief Commissioner

Location: Craigieburn Victoria

Judging by PECO's pic, the point still has the spring. I am looking at these now especially in the marshalling yard in my station area. I think the motor will throw the point easily with the spring Ken as they are designed for peco, so you shouldn't go wrong.

 
Albert Chief Commissioner

Where can one purchase these things with in Australia?

 
Kevin Martin Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne

I just haven't seen any reference to their being compatible with the USA code 83 that Peco sells. A previous post here says they are OK with code 83, but my understanding is that Peco makes different track for different parts of the world, albeit all code 83.

- avlisk

What gives you the impression that Peco make different Code 83 track for different parts of the world. That is nonsense, it makes no business sense at all. Some places would only sell 100s.

A quick look at their website or an ad anywhere shows quite clearly that they make a vast range of track with Code 100 (SetTrack & Streamline), Code 75 & Code 83, all for HO and OO.  Why would a brand new point motor not fit existing points, especially when the Code 83 is a fairly new design?

To me they might be suitable for hidden pointwork, for which I suspect the USA has probably demanded.

Kevin Martin

 
John_Bushell Chief Commissioner

Location: Jakarta

What gives you the impression that Peco make different Code 83 track for different parts of the world. That is nonsense, it makes no business sense at all.

- Kevin Martin



Kevin,

I don't think Ken meant it the way you read it. He was just calling it "USA code 83" track, implying that the Code 83 product line was developed to satisfy the US market, which it was.  It does come in indubitably Norh American style packaging.  I am sure he did not intend that Peco Code 83 is different in the States to what we get in Oz or elsewhere in the world.

 
Kevin Martin Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne



Kevin,

I don't think Ken meant it the way you read it. He was just calling it "USA code 83" track, implying that the Code 83 product line was developed to satisfy the US market, which it was.  It does come in indubitably Norh American style packaging.  I am sure he did not intend that Peco Code 83 is different in the States to what we get in Oz or elsewhere in the world.

- John_Bushell

Well you're probably right. But looking at the New Product page

http://www.peco-uk.com/Products/peconews.htm

"New side-mounting turnout motor, designed specifically for Peco OO/HO Setrack and Streamline Code 100, but will also be suitable for use with Peco OO/HO Streamline Code 75 and ’83 Line’, and with the Setrack/Streamline N gauge ranges. Ideal for those awkward, out-of-the-way locations on your layout, or where creating a hole in the baseboard underneath the turnout is not possible.

RRP £5.00 – delivery set back until the new year"

Reveals a lot of answers to questions posed. Yes they will work with the (only) Code 83, Code 75 & N scales. It also tells us that they have been put back to early this year, which might explain why no one has seen them yet.

Kevin Martin

 
avlisk Assistant Commissioner

Location: Laveen, AZ USA

My understanding of the Peco line has always been that there is a difference in tie spacing, diverging route angles to points, and perhaps, some other cosmetic differences, all in an attempt to fit various existing world markets. I don't think we even have Setrack over here. Again, I could be wrong about any or all of this, I was once before, so it could happen again.  I haven't seen the new motor advertised here, so couldn't be certain it fit the USA version of turnout without modification. I've since gathered up my courage and even if modification is required, I'm going for it  Exclamation By the way, regarding the traditional Peco motors, if I scoop out enough ballast strip and foam under the turnout, (there is 2 ot 6 inches of foam underneath), do I just need to clip them to the points and that's all the support necessary?  I see there is a DCC version, too. Anyone find that DCC users have to use these? If not, I could save a bit of dinero and just use the regular ones.  Thanks folks. And nice to hear from you all.

 
B 67 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland

Clipping the standard Peco 'motors' to the point is all that is needed. This is how they were designed to be used. Problem was that it was more difficult to ballast the bit of track where the point motor is as there's a big hole under the track. They can also be mounted under the board and have a small hole drilled in the board for the actuating pin to work through. Although Peco now have an adapter plate for this purpose, they only made it available after similar plates were made in Australia and USA. The Peco adapter is just their above the board adapter without the sliding part.

I haven't tried the low current versions yet. They aren't necessarily for DCC. Just low current applications - such as the cheap power packs sold in many sets. Not really sure why they persist in making the two kinds.  

As for the different Peco ranges. The Peco Setrack is made to the standard British geometry and is just the UK version of the snap track by Atlas.

The Code 100 and 75 streamline systems are pretty much identical apart from the rail height and some components such as the 3-way point (one is symmetrical, the other asymmetrical respectively). I think the sleeper spacing is the same too. The small, medium and large radius all have the same diverging angle. This means you can have a crossover between parallel tracks using a large and small radius point.  

The code 83 track is aimed at the US modeller (wherever they may be residing). It conforms to the usual US practice of numbering turnouts according to the angle of divergence and has a more typical sleeper (or tie) spacing and dimension, including the square cross section. For US modellers it's clearly more representative of local railroad track than the standard Peco range.  Some broad gauge modellers here find it looks more like broad gauge track too.

Then there's the various Peco narrow gauge ranges. But I won't go there.   Very Happy

 
avlisk Assistant Commissioner

Location: Laveen, AZ USA

Thanks B67 for all the great information.  The news couldn't be better for my application, as the points in question are staging or a couple of feet from the front of the layout, so holes under the turnout won't be a problem.  The more I learn about Peco, the more I like them. If I were to do the layout over, I think I'd use all Peco after all. Regards. Smile

 
Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere

I have 10 PL11 surface mounted point motors coming from the UK and expected mid-week.  I'll let you know my impressions when they're fixed and working.

They have apparently been extremely popular at first release and many suppliers have had to re-order (my supplier was only able to meet my order from their third delivery!).

Try ordering HERE if you can't get them locally.  Cost for non-EU buyers is £3.80 or around AU$10 each.

 

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