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jb17kx
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:56 am
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I'd be interested to know where/when this occurs; I had assumed that Amtrak locos were pretty much restricted to Amtrak trains. With the hand-over of the New York - Philadelphia "Clocker" services to NJT, I wouldn't really have described any Amtrak service as "commuter rail". |
I was a little vague there, I'll admit. I was referring more to Amtrak occasionally using locos from the F59PHI pool for the Surfliner (which I would define as commuter, although perhaps more in the Melbourne-Geelong but with interesting stuff in between league) on long-distance trains and vice-versa.
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MarkWaller2
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:45 am
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| jb17kx wrote: | | I was referring more to Amtrak occasionally using locos from the F59PHI pool for the Surfliner (which I would define as commuter, although perhaps more in the Melbourne-Geelong but with interesting stuff in between league) on long-distance trains and vice-versa. |
Ah, found it. "Surfliner" is Amtrak's Los Angeles - San Diego service: 208 km in a typical time of 2 hours 50 minutes, up to 11 or 12 times a day. I'm still not sure it's quite "commuter" to me, though (just to confuse matters) the MTL service from Los Angeles and the Coaster service from San Diego (meeting at Oceanside in the middle) probably are!
I can see that the LA-based F59PHIs will tend to stick to this service, but also that, from time to time, one of them will be put on a long distance train as a means of getting it to or from the main Amtrak workshops (in Indiana, if I'm not mistaken - the best part of 4,000 km away), and conversely that a loco shortage at LA might mean a long-distance loco appearing on a Surfliner train.
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GeoffreyHansen
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:08 am
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One specific US point I'd like to follow up:
| jb17kx wrote: | | Amtrak is the only road that uses commuter locomotives on other trains, but even then it is not a regular occurrence. |
I'd be interested to know where/when this occurs; I had assumed that Amtrak locos were pretty much restricted to Amtrak trains. With the hand-over of the New York - Philadelphia "Clocker" services to NJT, I wouldn't really have described any Amtrak service as "commuter rail".
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I remember reading that on one holiday season in recent years Amtrak was short of carriages so it borrowed carriages from commuter operators but offering discounts to passengers travelling in them.
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MarkWaller2
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:17 am
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| GeoffreyHansen wrote: | | I remember reading that on one holiday season in recent years Amtrak was short of carriages so it borrowed carriages from commuter operators but offering discounts to passengers travelling in them. |
Again, I'd be interested to know where and when this happened. I suspect Amtrak might be interested in doing this, given their shortage of rolling stock; I'm not sure how keen the commuter operators would be.
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Maikha
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:37 am
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| MarkWaller2 wrote: | | GeoffreyHansen wrote: | | I remember reading that on one holiday season in recent years Amtrak was short of carriages so it borrowed carriages from commuter operators but offering discounts to passengers travelling in them. |
Again, I'd be interested to know where and when this happened. I suspect Amtrak might be interested in doing this, given their shortage of rolling stock; I'm not sure how keen the commuter operators would be. |
Correct on above accounts!
I have the December 2006 issue of Trains magazine which has quite a good article on how Amtrak copes with the holiday season, particularly on the North-East Corridor where they have an extra 150,000 passengers riding.
Basically, they lease engines of MARC (The Maryland Transit Agency), NJ Transit and SEPTA, and have some pretty long trains! I'm not aware of discounts behind offered however. A search of RailPictures.net has many examples of this.
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MarkWaller2
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 11:05 am
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| Maikha wrote: | | I have the December 2006 issue of Trains magazine which has quite a good article on how Amtrak copes with the holiday season |
Thanks for the pointer on this; evidently I wasn't paying enough attention when I originally read my own copy. I guess Northeast Corridor services don't have the same risk as long-distance ones of a borrowed commuter trainset getting stuck halfway across the continent...
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