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route14
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:34 pm
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or attach dynamo powered lights to each wheel, just like on some bicycles.
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xtrap_heaven
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:09 pm
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How about two long strips of flashing lights going down the side of the carriages of all trains, with the tops and bottoms of the doors level with the light strips. The driver could turn them on at light every time he/she arrives and departs a station, and every time he/she approaches a level crossing.
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Mr. Lane
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:08 pm
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| route14 wrote: | | If you obeyed the stop sign, you would see it anyway. |
But people don't.
The fact is you just can't trust people to do the right thing and keep themselves safe, so you have got to work around it.
I have no doubt that most of the accidents that happen at level crossings are the result of people not seeing trains rather than racing them, and I have no doubt that in most cases the car drivers havnt slowed down and looked or stopped when required to. Some people are also just not very observant of surrounding road conditions...dare I say women generally arn't great in this regard. My sister can drive though a dangerous near miss and not even know anything has happened.
The fact is people will keep doing it and people will continue to die, so doing nothing isn't a great option. Any more ways of offering protection at crossings is a good thing. Shame about another livery change though.
There are some crossings which
I have no Signature
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The Met
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:19 pm
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You could possibly have spotlight's around crossing. More common around metropolitan Melbourne (but I guess that's just the usual streetlighting).
If you make crossing obvious at night. But most accidents I can recall have all happened during the day. I mean, making a train look bleeding obvious with bright fluoro colours isn't going to do you any good if you're actually on the tracks.
If a system needs to be in place, it'll have to be something like a strobe light (Bit like on aeroplanes). It has to be constant, and cannot be an 'on-off' thing ie out of the stations. Trains are everywhere on the tracks.
"People are pretty much alike. It's only that our differences are more susceptible to definition than our similarities." - Linda Ellerbee
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route14
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:21 pm
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| Mr. Lane wrote: | But people don't.
The fact is people will keep doing it and people will continue to die |
so continue to die, then.
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trolleybusracer
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:25 pm
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If a system needs to be in place, it'll have to be something like a strobe light (Bit like on aeroplanes). It has to be constant, and cannot be an 'on-off' thing ie out of the stations. Trains are everywhere on the tracks. |
I was thinking More of That it flashes for up to 2 minutes after the Horn has been Activasted
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The Met
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:33 pm
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I was thinking More of That it flashes for up to 2 minutes after the Horn has been Activasted |
I reckon, it'll just be better off staying on.
I reckon you hear the horn at least every two minutes, so it'll probably stay on most of the time. Sometime's it could be too late if you can hear the horn, and having the flashing lights before the horn could be an advantage.
| route14 wrote: | | Mr. Lane wrote: | But people don't.
The fact is people will keep doing it and people will continue to die |
so continue to die, then. |
So you would let innocent lives be lost, ie those of driver, staff, and just as important the people travelling? Because that's what I see your implying.
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:52 pm
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Would you categorize those stop-sign breachers as "the innocent"?
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:02 am
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No.
I'm saying, that there is definitely a risk at every railway crossing. And for now, we have been rather fortunate that peak trains which can carry in excess of 200 people have not ever been involved in any collisions. But we are risking lives here.
Regardless, any loss of life is adverse to any situation. It shouldn't be happening full stop.
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trolleybusracer
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:02 am
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Nah the Innocent ones are the passengers in the car
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route14
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:35 am
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It's the driver's responsibility to ensure the safety of his/her passengers.
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37M
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:14 am
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| Mr. Lane wrote: | Some people are also just not very observant of surrounding road conditions...dare I say women generally arn't great in this regard. My sister can drive though a dangerous near miss and not even know anything has happened.
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Thats called lack of concentration.
I still believe red rotating lights (such as fitted to emergency vehicles) that can be seen from miles away should be fitted to crossings , these would not be confused with emergency vehicles because they have red / blue conbination.
A set of these were used on the manual gates at Brunswick Rd Parkville many moons ago , you could see them activated and they really stood out and caught your eye from a long distance.
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Edith
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:50 am
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[quote="37M"]| Mr. Lane wrote: | Some people are also just not very observant of surrounding road conditions...dare I say women generally arn't great in this regard. My sister can drive though a dangerous near miss and not even know anything has happened.
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Thats called lack of concentration.
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At least the government is now showing 'lack of concentration' ads on the TV. They include, turning around to talk to a child/pick up a lost toy, changing a CD, texting on the mobile.
Dreams are not something to wait for
They are something to work for
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Speed
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:57 am
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| route14 wrote: | | attach dynamo powered lights to each wheel, just like on some bicycles. |
How about illumnated Spokey-Dokeys?
I know that train-wheels don't have spokes but you could improvise something and credit Azn_dj with it.
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AzN_dj
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:25 pm
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Well, Im trying to evolve on my ideas.
We can attatch lights to wheels.
We could also run reflective tape along the crossing AS WELL as on trains.
Rumble strips with reflective tape (well, something stronger than reflective tape).
What are the differences in costs to placing lights at the train crossing compared to putting lights on every train, every carriage and every locomotive?
Maybe christmas lights along the wagons would do the trick. It would suit my school uniform too (If anybody has seen it before - we look like christmas trees). We could have flashing STOP signs before the crossing, or flashing crossing signs with a handful of LEDS. The main aim is to make people more alert of the presence of a train - not whether it looks good or not.
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