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3642in2008
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:05 pm
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| SMR30 wrote: | Would any of the fellow RTM members please be able to tell me if the windscreen on 44211 that got vandalized has been repaired yet?
Reguards Paul. |
yes it has been.
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Bwana
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:26 pm
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| In the '01Ltd thread, jumboman44211 wrote: | | Bwana wrote: | | They [3801 Ltd] had one [trip to Maitland for Steamfest] last year too. I don't understand why the RTM don't do one as well, raise a few funds seeing as they have to drag their stuff up there anyway. |
Why bother. I read somewhere Steamfest is forking out $107,000 this year to have only 3 engines there. |
I read that too, as well as endless denials after it - who knows where the truth lies, and where the people lie? What it cost is between Maitland Council and the RTM, and I doubt either would be eager to go into detail, but some councillors are throwing numbers around (which may or may not all be going to the RTM) because they're not happy with the service they've gotten from the RTM this year.
Whatever the figure, filling a train with people paying $90 a pop is gonna be better than running the same train empty, and the money could go to either cutting the price they charge the council or to other projects - god knows there's enough stuff at Thirlmere that could be restored if the funds existed.
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MrNathan
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:37 pm
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Well, somehow I think the organiser of Steamfest wouldn't be prone to BS stories. Why don't you call Maitland Council and ask him yourself? He'll tell you exactly the figure that jumboman44211 has stated. The RTM expressed absolutely zero desire in running a train (or, for that matter, bringing passengers up) to Steamfest in that fashion, and for that matter even publicising their own involvement in the event. Pre-2007 these trains (mostly heralding the arrival of the 38s) were packed to the rafters.
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dalts 1985
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:28 pm
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| MrNathan wrote: | | Well, somehow I think the organiser of Steamfest wouldn't be prone to BS stories. Why don't you call Maitland Council and ask him yourself? He'll tell you exactly the figure that jumboman44211 has stated. The RTM expressed absolutely zero desire in running a train (or, for that matter, bringing passengers up) to Steamfest in that fashion, and for that matter even publicising their own involvement in the event. Pre-2007 these trains (mostly heralding the arrival of the 38s) were packed to the rafters. |
I remember the vary adventious trip in '06, my first Steamfest, the train was sold out...
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Bwana
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:32 am
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| MrNathan wrote: | | Well, somehow I think the organiser of Steamfest wouldn't be prone to BS stories. |
No, but he may be prone to creating them.
| MrNathan wrote: | | Why don't you call Maitland Council and ask him yourself? He'll tell you exactly the figure that jumboman44211 has stated. |
I'm sure most council representatives will, seeing as they're the ones that came up with the figure. Unfortunately the RTM is, quite rightly, saying it is nobody's business except theirs and the council's, so we don't have a balanced view of the issue. I can't confirm or deny the figure - neither can you, but it is coming from people with chips on their shoulders, and it should be apparent by now that I generally question both the motives and the statements of people with chips on their shoulders.
| MrNathan wrote: | | The RTM expressed absolutely zero desire in running a train (or, for that matter, bringing passengers up) to Steamfest in that fashion, and for that matter even publicising their own involvement in the event. Pre-2007 these trains (mostly heralding the arrival of the 38s) were packed to the rafters. |
I am aware of that. A close read of my last post (and the self-quote within it) may suggest I question how smart a decision that is. Don't assume I'll ALWAYS follow an allegiance, even if you could establish that one existed.
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doridori
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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:42 pm
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| Bwana wrote: | | . Unfortunately the RTM is, quite rightly, saying it is nobody's business except theirs and the council's, so we don't have a balanced view of the issue. Don't assume I'll ALWAYS follow an allegiance, even if you could establish that one existed. |
1. Have you ever attacked or questioned your beloved RTM ?
2. Have you ever supported or praised another organisation, particularly 3801LTD ?
3. You support a public not for profit organisation, that our taxes partially suppliment, being secretive with their finances, when there is a very good chance there is law stating they must be transparent ?
The difference between pro-rtm and pro-01ltd camps is that i have seen a sizable majority of one camp willing to praise other camps and critique their own...
May be young'n'dumb, yet unlike some, I've heart!
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Bwana
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:38 am
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| doridori wrote: | | Bwana wrote: | | . Unfortunately the RTM is, quite rightly, saying it is nobody's business except theirs and the council's, so we don't have a balanced view of the issue. Don't assume I'll ALWAYS follow an allegiance, even if you could establish that one existed. |
1. Have you ever attacked or questioned your beloved RTM ? |
Yes, four posts up from yours actually, I questioned the wisdom of running empty stock to Maitland for steamfest when there was an obvious market for heritage trains Sydney-Maitland at that time.
| doridori wrote: | | 2. Have you ever supported or praised another organisation, particularly 3801LTD ? |
http://www.railpage.com.au/f-p1022849.htm#1022849. I've also posted STNs for their trips and only a couple of days ago asked in the '01Ltd thread about one of their trips - not knowing prices etc was all that was stopping me from doing the trip.
| doridori wrote: | | 3. You support a public not for profit organisation, that our taxes partially suppliment, being secretive with their finances, when there is a very good chance there is law stating they must be transparent ? |
Yep. Find me the law and I'll reconsider. I work for a public, I suppose you could call us not for profit, organisation that sucks a lot more of your tax dollar than the RTM does, and I had to sign a confidentiality contract before they'd let me on site. It is common practice for any two parties in a contract to keep the money side of it confidential, and I see no reason why the RTM and Maitland Council should be different. RTM should report it with all of the other appropriate income under one figure for "income - charters", and the Council should put it under "expenditure - promotion/tourism"
| doridori wrote: | | The difference between pro-rtm and pro-01ltd camps is that i have seen a sizable majority of one camp willing to praise other camps and critique their own... |
Funny, I would say the same thing. So why don't we see how you go in your own test:
1. Have you ever attacked or questioned your beloved 3801Ltd ?
2. Have you ever supported or praised another organisation, particularly NSWRTM ?
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MBAX
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 8:27 pm
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[quote="jumboman44211"]| Quote: | | Who was that RTM member who was posting 3801 Ltd's Financial Report on RP, a while back. His name escapes me at the moment. |
That RTM member is also one of the privileged (few) members of 3801 Limited. Unfortunatley I can't remember his name. He was an unmemorable character other than the time he marched into the 3801 Limited office (the carriage at ATP) for a Special General Meeting and demanded in a "strident tone" as to whether "this was the office of 3801 Limited?". I told him to look at the sign on the door and make his own mind up.
Although I don't know his name he was short and had the demeanor of a Bantam C**K if that helps you.
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Bwana
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 5:54 am
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MBAX please fix up your quotes. I don't want to be associated with jumboman's comments - that's just not my style.
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MBAX
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 6:11 am
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| Bwana wrote: | | MBAX please fix up your quotes. I don't want to be associated with jumboman's comments - that's just not my style. |
Done.
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jumboman44211
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:01 am
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Rephrased....Ok, if financial matters are not to be discussed.........01 Ltd's financial report should not be posted here on this forum, and discussed either. As it has been in the past. Fair enough ? Fertig.
I'm all in favour of progress; it's change I don't like.
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Bwana
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:55 am
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Didn't see the thread you're talking about Jumbo, and probably would have been too bored to read all the way through the OP, much less the rest of it, if I did. Although I see a difference between griping over the price of one specific charter and discussing the periodical financial report of an organisation, I agree I can't imagine the circumstance in which either would be any business of anyone that isn't a member of the organisation(s) involved.
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MrNathan
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:59 pm
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Just as a matter of curiosity (not stirring smeg, so don't ask) I was on one of the Branxton shuttles on Sunday, 3642 sounded like she had a leaking piston gland? Any of you guys can confirm or deny?
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flathog
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:32 am
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| MrNathan wrote: | | Just as a matter of curiosity (not stirring smeg, so don't ask) I was on one of the Branxton shuttles on Sunday, 3642 sounded like she had a leaking piston gland? Any of you guys can confirm or deny? |
I am assuming thats the continuous hissing sound that comes from the cylinder every revolution, I noticed this in a video and got a mate to ask and he was just told it was the cylinder cocks being open 
Tom
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VHAJD
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:26 am
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Somehow I doubt that it is the cylinder cocks being opened...
I raised a similiar query to the "whistling" sound which was emitted from 3801 on every fourth exhaust beat. Was promptly told that it was "normal".
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