Public transport planning and policy

melbtrip · Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 1:05 pm

SEMartin wants a real intelligent debate on public transport planning and policy.

Before we start this debate on public transport planning and policy I have number of question that need to be answered.

Has the Public transport division of the DOT (Department of Transport) gone out and ask public transport users what they really want out of public transport?( I mean not going out asking Local council members or groups like PTUA but real public travelling members that user the system).

My understanding most people want out public transport is ability to get from A to B quickly for example person in outer suburban will likely to use an express service over a stopping all stations service.

Has the Public transport division of the DOT looked at running more express outside peak times so allows users to travel outside these times and also to make these express services run full time for example on the Weekend?

Has the Public transport division of the DOT looked at running most buses that go to the city running them on single sets of streets for example Lonsdale street and Queens Street and then having a full time bus lanes on Lonsdale and Queens street?

Has the Public transport division of the DOT looked at bus service to use more tram lanes so they do not get stick in traffic?

It time for the state government got real about public transport and start to listen to public transport users needs instead of listen to Local council members or Public transport groups like PTUA.

If D.O.T listen to public transport users instead of public transport groups or Local council members and The Public transport division would have a better understanding what is need for public transport.

Please people can we keep on the topic and no name calling!

The Vinelander · Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 1:52 pm

SEMartin · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 11:21 am

Edith · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 1:48 pm

I recall the Telstra CEO asking people in the bush (about 20 years ago) what they wanted in the way of telecommunications services. The answer was three things: a phone, a phone that works, and a phone that works all the time.

What people might want from PT could turn out similar: PT, PT that is frequent and well connected, PT that comes when it says it will, PT that goes to where I want to go when I want to go there, PT that is clean, comfortable and safe (both in terms of traffic and other passengers).

Also, I would like to see the public have more input into the 'measures of success' under the operator contracts. The measures must mean something to the PT user and not be esoteric and easy to manipulate to 'pass the test', but without actually giving the service expected.

Examples:
1) Buses leaving the terminus on time, but being way off time over the route - very early or very late.
2) Trains that do not go around the Loop, but take a short cut when running late.
3) Trains travelling through the Loop to Flinders Street that change their destination at Flinders Street, but do not inform the on-board passengers of this change.

Dreams are not something to wait for
They are something to work for

mjja · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:37 pm

Riccardo · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 9:17 pm

You don't come to Railpage Australia™ for a serious discussion on public transport planning and policy - there are appropriate places for that on other sites.

You come here for a stir and to see what the dribblers are saying.

Melbtrip - some advice:

-lose "fairness". It ain't fair. Build that bridge and get over it.

-you can't just run a fantasy train in your fantasy brain because you feel like it. Even dream trains have to follow rules.

-the ticket system ain't that interesting. I'm about to write a training track on farebox policies - I'll PM you when the time comes.

I hate to think that dribblers are bothering real Vline staff with crazy ideas. Even I can't quality assure all my ideas, hence I keep them on the web.

If you need to get in touch, drop a comment at the Transport Textbook or on my blog.

melbtrip · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 9:52 pm

The Only People turn up to these Metropolitan Bus Service Reviews are mostly from a group or is a local Council members member or staff from Council , it be great to see more average public transport user at these meetings.

Normally I go to these meetings at night time , may be all average Joe that is using public transport is going to these meetings in the day time.

SEMartin wants a real intelligent debate on public transport planning and policy, Here is a topic so we can get start a real debate on public transport planning and policy.

I personally want a real intelligent debate on public transport planning and policy.
The state government needs to really look at long term future of public transport planning and policy, for example better public transport in outer Melbourne and country Victoria areas.
The demands for outer Melbourne for public transport will growth in the near future and this government by it policy and planning, needs to keep up with demand from outer Melbourne.

The demand of outer Melbourne will greater because young families will start to move out to outer Melbourne because inner or middle suburbs housing is getting out reach being unaffordable to young families.
The state governments needs to act quickly to plan for future growth of public transport especially outer areas of Melbourne and they need include extending the Melbourne train network to outer Melbourne and also at same time more bus services in these areas.

Because of the demand of outer Melbourne, the state government should look running short to middle distance train service, so these service still allows people from middle or inner suburbs of Melbourne ability to can catch public transport without getting left behind on platform at station.

An example of short distance train service is from city to Blackburn so allows trains from Belgrave and Lilydale train services to go express when they enter intercity areas.

The public transport division of DOT needs to plan their projects the same ways as Vicroads plans their projects and second thing start to learn to do major projects in phases for example how Vicroads is currently doing the Geelong Ring road.

The state government is slowly come up with good policy and planning for public transport, but more is needed to be done.

mjja · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 10:06 pm

comeng301M · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 10:59 pm

Mel · Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 12:29 am

is a mess....

Oh, its not the first post. sorry Crying or Very sad

The Vinelander · Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:37 am

Riccardo · Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 5:07 pm

Shirley you can't be serious Mike.

Smegging profanities are only deflected from your delicate eyes by Greenhill's patented smeg filter - I can assure you that there is plenty of profanity in all that smegging and some people have worked out how to bypass the ghucking smeg filter.

As for elsewhere, I see 17 comments just now on Phin's latest topic, the true price of the Aurora/Morang extension. A very popular blog, very diverse audience (even QLD posters visit). No profanities. No smeg filter. No Melbtrip.

Of course I could promote my own yawn-ful blog Wink

you might get the odd profanity there, but there couldn't be a more deserving audience for them than Lynn Klotsky and friends.

If you need to get in touch, drop a comment at the Transport Textbook or on my blog.

melbtrip · Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 6:39 pm

what have you got against me? Confused

back to the topic:
here is a good Public transport planning and policy

electrification to Bacchus Marsh

What is needed to happen is the current train line to be electrification to Bacchus Marsh.
The Train line needs to be electrification to Bacchus Marsh because allow for future growth in the area.

Public Transport needs to be well planned for; the state government can’t continue building new suburbs without real public transport infrastructure investment to support it.

So my idea will allow people in new housing development in Bacchus Marsh and Melton access to a metropolitan rail services.
The benefits will be:
• More services to and from Melbourne
• Trains operating from the early hours of the morning until late at night, seven days a week
• Services connecting direct to the city loop

Somebody in the WWW · Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:35 pm

melbtrip · Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 8:37 pm