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FieldShunt74
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 2:00 pm
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| Bwana wrote: | | biqua wrote: | | This may also be a good time to ask - what to all the letters in the interurban codes actually mean? |
I was always of the impression the first two letters are ALWAYS "DI", meaning "Double deck" and "Interurban" respectively, and the last was either M for motor or T for trailer. |
I think that's close. The D is almost certainly 'Double Deck Interurban' all on it's own. The middle letter varies with the series of car, I think: DCM, DIM, DJM, DKM. The last letter is for Motor or Trailer: DKM, DKT.
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Simes_mk2
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:41 pm
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| TE2815 wrote: | It surely must have been an easier exercise to have restored a set of points at the location. Have them booked out of use, clipped and spiked then book them in when something of this nature needs to be done then book them out again. They could even be listed as "non-commissioned points" which get booked in and out of use as required.
With a little effort the points could have been installed at the other end of Petersham platform and been trailing points making them even safer for local line traffic passing over them when they are booked out of use. |
I was thinking just chop the overhead down for the weekend and use a crane or two, however then after seeing they were using the emergency recovery team, made me realise that this exercise was probably a very valuable training exercise. Also a good opportunity to try new stuff etc, better now than when there's a "proper" incident with all that extra pressure it entails
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biqua
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:06 pm
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Not just a good training exercise for those on site Simes, but they had two video cameras filming the whole thing - was told by one of the camera guys it was to make a training video. Good idea if you ask me.
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alltrainzfan
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M636C
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 9:52 pm
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| FieldShunt74 wrote: | | Bwana wrote: | | biqua wrote: | | This may also be a good time to ask - what to all the letters in the interurban codes actually mean? |
I was always of the impression the first two letters are ALWAYS "DI", meaning "Double deck" and "Interurban" respectively, and the last was either M for motor or T for trailer. |
I think that's close. The D is almost certainly 'Double Deck Interurban' all on it's own. The middle letter varies with the series of car, I think: DCM, DIM, DJM, DKM. The last letter is for Motor or Trailer: DKM, DKT. |
Only the codes for the 1970 cars were "correct"
Power car DCF; D double deck, C control power car F second class
Trailer car DTF or DTC; T trailer, C composite (first class on upper deck)
Driving trailer DDC; second D for driving trailer.
It went down hill from there:
Power cars (camshaft control) DCM or DIM (for cars with modified seating)
Driving Trailer DCT (note, no second "D")
Trailer Cars DIT
Power Cars (chopper control) DJM or DKM ("K" cars have a new body structure and have matching DKT trailer cars)
The rebuilt 1970 cars got new numbers and new codes when they became trailers.
Cars rebuilt for disabled access got even stranger codes.
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The Man in Blue
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 10:55 pm
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| biqua wrote: | | Not just a good training exercise for those on site Simes, but they had two video cameras filming the whole thing - was told by one of the camera guys it was to make a training video. Good idea if you ask me. |
RUMOR: This is a long term agenda, the idea behind replacing the 2 trailer cars with a motor /trailer combo is to have the ability to train drivers and guards at Petersham. The perway students will rebuild the points and complete electrification over the cars allowing a commuter service to operate from Platform 2 into the college, students can then have no excuse not to use public transport to work 
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r_rogel
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 11:00 pm
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What will happen to the two Tulloch cars? Are they go into preservation?
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biqua
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:08 pm
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I think they are part of the upcoming auction - they have extra stuff on the side now from all the wiring they added.
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r_rogel
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:32 pm
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I hope that one will be going to RTM & the other to SETS.
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Ben_Daui
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:10 pm
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A tulloch to SETS would be good if they are allowed to run a set with NON powered doors.
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minifhncc
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:20 pm
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But don't the Tullochs have powered doors?
| Ben_Daui wrote: | | A tulloch to SETS would be good if they are allowed to run a set with NON powered doors. |
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FieldShunt74
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:28 pm
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| minifhncc wrote: | But don't the Tullochs have powered doors?
| Ben_Daui wrote: | | A tulloch to SETS would be good if they are allowed to run a set with NON powered doors. |
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Some did, some didn't. The ones that ran in S sets or W sets, trains with power operated doors, were naturally also power operated. The ones that ran with "standard" electric cars, the original M sets, had manual doors to match the motor cars. I believe some of the Tulloch trailers were converted one way or the other during their careers. I doubt it would be too hard to do the same conversion again today if you wanted to.
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minifhncc
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:36 pm
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With manual doors people could just jump out of the carriage whilst the train is moving? Or was a locking device implemented to prevent this?
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FieldShunt74
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:52 pm
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| minifhncc wrote: | | With manual doors people could just jump out of the carriage whilst the train is moving? Or was a locking device implemented to prevent this? |
You weren't around in the 80's, I take it?
No, the manual doors were never locked in service, anyone could slide them open or closed whenever they liked. Usually the trains ran around with them open all the time unless it was really cold outside. The onus was on the passengers not to leave or join the train while it was in motion. Imagine that, personal responsibility!
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TheLoadedDog
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 11:34 pm
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Further to what Shuntington-upon-Tweed said...
Yes, the doors were open. Wide open. Wonderfully open. Windows ditto. See, back then we had these things called trains. You'da liked 'em.
On a warm summer day, a trip on a suburban train was the t1ts. All windows and doors wide open, a gentle breeze, and the wonderful smell of deadly asbestos.. 
I was travelling alone from age ten or so, and from then into my teenage years, I habitually installed myself in the vestibule with my head and most of my body hanging out of a door, with a quick and deft dodging movement for any overly close lineside apparatus flying past at 80kmh. Even in the underground. ESPECIALLY in the underground.
For the teeange boy about town, coolness was, as it is now, everything. This included beig well versed in the Zen art of alighting from a train. you couldn't wait until it stopped, as that was for old ladies. You couldn't jump too soon, as that would result in a most uncool faceplant on some of Bradfield's finest bitumenised platform surface. You had to find the sweet spot. I never faceplanted, but I do remember one occasion at Central when I misjudged it, and went with arms and legs cartwheeling like Carl Lewis in the most awesome sprint until I could shed a couple of unwanted kmh off my speed. Of course, I had to stroll away looking like, "Hey, I meant to do that. Cool eh?"
Of course the downside was that they had to scrape silly young men off stanchions with semi-regular monotony.
Even in the first decade or two of the S sets, the savvy commuter knew to stand in front of the door closer to the direction of travel when alighting, because it would open first, and you'd be first off. This was because the guards didn't bother waiting until the train had stopped before opening the things, and the front one would be carried forwards on the train's momentum.
Good times.
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Not to mention they have all the high quality shots that we took of the operation. 