Re-opening the Cobram line to Passenger Traffic

 
  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
Mike - swapping the XPT for a SG V/Line train to Wagga is hardly "regional rail expansion" - the service already exists albeit run by a different operator!!! Completely inappropriate to use that as a comparison to re-opening a rail service to Tocumwal and I suspect that with a bit of afterthought you might well agree!

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  VRfan Moderator

Location: In front of my computer :-p
BTW, here's some over the top dreaming Smile

If the Goulburn Valley line was converted to standard gauge and the line between Tocumwal and Narranderra was fixed up, you could run a train from Melbourne to Griffith rather than a bus! Smile
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Mike - swapping the XPT for a SG V/Line train to Wagga is hardly "regional rail expansion" - the service already exists albeit run by a different operator!!! Completely inappropriate to use that as a comparison to re-opening a rail service to Tocumwal and I suspect that with a bit of afterthought you might well agree!
"Ballast_Plough"


However the catchment will still be in NSW, and some minimalist posters in particular have an anti-NSW bias, for whatever personal reasons.

My point is, I'm an expansionist.

We are all aware that expanded rail services increase the patronage on any given service. IE buses do NOT attract Joe Average to travel by PT unless it's a necessity, however when a train is provided, it's been proven over and over to governments of both persuasions that the pax will give the train the nod, the stats prove it, and the anti-expansionists lose their credibility.

Wait till later today when that same mob rant about a Vline proposal to extend services to Wagga  ExclamationRolling Eyes

If the patronage warrants it, and Griffith appears to be a service that's grown substantially in recent years, then why should I not support increasing the regional rail network for V/line services to Tocumwal Question

Some posters show obvious bias in their rantings against any expansion of regional rail, yet they won't state why they have this bias Exclamation

IMO it's because they are pro-investment in Melbourne PT, and their narrow minds think a dollar spent on regional rail is a dollar less that can be spent on their precious suburban PT services.

Mike.

 
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
Probably the same posters (search is our friend) who still maintain extending pax services to Ararat and the RFR was waste of precious $$ that could have been spent on their beloved sparks.
"Mikelander"

One-track mind Mikelander strikes again - it's all or nothing.

Can't see that a regional trunk has slightly more importance than a dead end branch?

As for Griffith, Melbourne is the main city for visits to doctors and other professional services. Particularly as the boomers get older and require specialist services and it's too far to drive, patronage can only increase further.

Will the anti-regional rail expansion pressure group also campaign against Vline services to Wagga once the standard gauge is completed
"Mikelander"

Yes - if the northerners don't like it, they can pay the full cost, or secede.

We are all aware that expanded rail services increase the patronage on any given service. IE buses do NOT attract Joe Average to travel by PT unless it's a necessity, however when a train is provided, it's been proven over and over to governments of both persuasions that the pax will give the train the nod, the stats prove it, and the anti-expansionists lose their credibility.
"Mikelander"

Show me the stats - for most people making long trips the train isn't even a consideration

IMO it's because they are pro-investment in Melbourne PT, and their narrow minds think a dollar spent on regional rail is a dollar less that can be spent on their precious suburban PT services.
"Mikelander"

Again, no substance.

Don't just say this line of thinking is wrong, actually tell me why it is wrong.
  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
Best to distinguish between anti - expansionists (!) and devils advocates. I fall in the latter category because whilst I would love to see rail services return to something like the 1950's - 1960's, I'm also pragmatic enough not to get swamped in the romantic entanglements that this involves. As I said, would love to see lines re-open everywhere but unfortunately these days, every thing is driven by the mighty $. Consider the worked example:

Restore rail service to Tocumwal:

- Upgrade of track to something that can run faster than 60 kmh - $ lots.
- Purchase of suitable rolling stock - $ lots.
- Allowance for fare subsidy - keep in mind that V/Line