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PClark
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:17 pm
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I also note that the itineraries around Sydney, incorporating Canberra, The Blue Mountains and Hunter Valley are very similar to those of the late GSPE.
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tranzitjim
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 4:35 pm
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Just been trying the website a few times, and it does not seem to work.
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aussiebbq
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:58 pm
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| PClark wrote: | | All trips between Adelaide and Melbourne and v.v. are overnight so it's not attached to the Overland. |
No they run during the day
http://www.gsr.com.au/our-trains/the-overland/timetables.php?tt=all
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It will be interesting to see whether or not this will be successful. GSR have a fairly tough cancellation policy - under 75 days out from travel you get ZERO refund. GSR reserves the right to cancel any tour at any time. |
Thats no diffrent to a overseas trip, but when your talking a $10,000 rail trip it could be quite closetly it you don't go. It GSR cancel your own tour they will offer you a refund or another trip.
Its sounds very much like a APT or ScenicTour holiday and I would say that it is mostly aimed at international touriests and being sold.[/quote]
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PClark
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:50 pm
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I have just looked at what is possibly the closest equivalent to these "Southern Spirit" tours.
The Venice Simplon Orient-Express does a yearly "cruise" from Paris to Istanbul. Five days and nights; three nights on the train and one each at hotels in Budapest and Bucharest.
Cost is $A10,920.
By contrast, Perth to Brisbane on the Southern Spirit (Thirteen days and twelve nights - six each on train and in hotels) is $A13,990 in Platinum and $A10,590 in Gold.
On this basis GSR's fares do not appear that exorbitant and $1,000 per person per night is not uncommon at the better end of the cruise ship market.
Of course, it's difficult to compare the VSOE with what GSR's offering on the SS. The VSOE is a wonderful reminder of how the rich, well-born and famous travelled in an age when everybody went by train. The carriages are works of decorative art created by some of the greatest designers of the early art deco period.
On the other hand, there are those who consider it a tad too "authentic".
There's no air conditioning, no wardrobes (only hangers on hooks on the wall) Cabins have nice washing facilities but you have to go down the corridor to the loo and there are no showers anywhere. Cabins are about half the size of GSR's new Platinum class and one person has to sleep "upstairs".
I wish GSR well with this initiative. Admittedly it's only a three month trial season but let's hope it leads somewhere.
At least the cars will ride better than those on the late GSPE and will be able to travel faster than fifty to eighty km per hour.
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574M
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:36 pm
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Well, a website called stuff dot co dot nz used this picture
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| stuff dot co dot nz wrote: |
The seeming ease with which the Afghan camels used by our pioneers carried people and cargo across the harsh Australian outback earned them the nickname "the ships of the desert".
Great Southern Rail, which launched a luxury train crossing Australia from Darwin to Adelaide and named it the Ghan after those very camels, now has its own take on the ship of the desert concept: a luxury "cruise" on rails.
The cruises will cross the same landscape those dromedary ships passed over on a new train called the Southern Spirit.
The Southern Spirit joins the Ghan, which runs south to north, and the Indian Pacific, which runs east to west, as a grand rail adventure of world standard.
The remarkable difference about the Southern Spirit is that it will traverse the country both east to west and north to south and offer eight different itineraries in the process.
While the longest journey on the Indian Pacific is three days, Southern Spirit passengers can indulge in 12-night grand tours, in some instances taking in three states and six cities.
And for the first time Melbourne and Brisbane will be included in Australia's luxury train travel experiences.
Southern Spirit journeys will be available from November through February each year and will combine train time including overnight sleeps with five-star hotels and add-on events and experiences, similar to land excursions during sea cruises, or options on bus tours.
The Southern Spirit will also introduce Great Southern Rail's new Platinum Service, which gives passengers a private space almost twice the size of the previous top-of-the-range Gold Class on the Ghan and the Indian Pacific.
The cabin includes an en-suite bathroom with permanent toilet, sink and shower (no folding down). During the day it has a sofa, ottomans and table and windows either side with Roman blinds.
The sofa folds down to a double bed or two singles.
Guests have access to the Queen Adelaide Restaurant car, which serves three-course gourmet meals and top Australian wines.
Australian rail has come a long way.
From rough convict-pushed trucks in 1830s Tasmania to the first steam-operated railway, which opened in Melbourne in 1854, to the second part of the 20th century when different gauges meant having to change trains between Sydney and Melbourne.
Then, families who couldn't afford air travel used the Intercapital Daylight Express and the Southern Aurora to travel between the eastern capitals, and the Overland between Melbourne and Adelaide. As air fares came down, however, interstate train travel diminished.
Still, our 40,000 kilometres of track continued to reflect who we were as a nation - showing how our population congregated, with most lines laid in the east and south-east, as well as a smaller network in the south-west around Perth.
At the heart of it all, shiny ribbons sliced across the continent's desolate centre, transporting freight between our populations of coastal dwellers.
In 1970 the gauge on the line across the continent was standardised, pushing Australian train travel into another dimension, that of tourism.
The Indian Pacific between Sydney and Perth, one of the world's best-known train journeys, was born. The 4352-kilometre journey takes 64 hours and passes over the longest stretch of straight track in the world: 478 kilometres across the Nullarbor Plain.
In 2004 the final mainland capital was linked to the network, when Adelaide became connected to Alice Springs and Darwin.
The 1420 kilometres of new track allowed the Ghan to join the Indian-Pacific as a world-renowned journey.
The Southern Sprit will make use of other tracks: those that run between Adelaide and Melbourne, Melbourne and Sydney, Sydney and Brisbane.
This will give passengers access to all capitals including Canberra, and a range of experiences along the way.
For instance, experiences out of Adelaide might include a tour to the Barossa with the opportunity to create your own red wine blend, an Aboriginal tour of the Botanic Gardens or a trip to the Flinders Ranges with award-winning Bookabee Tours to sample a native cuisine morning tea.
There are dinners and lunches at unusual venues such as Fort Denison in Sydney Harbour or the MCG in Melbourne.
And if five-star accommodation isn't available at a stop, then the best pub or motel in town will be included.
TRIP NOTES
Fares start from $6890 a person twin share on the nine-day, eight-night transcontinental cruise. For further information or to be sent a comprehensive, full-colour glossy brochure detailing all cruises as well as available excursions, phone Great Southern Rail on 1300 881 416 or see http://www.thesouthernspirit.com.au.
CRUISE SAMPLER
• The Inaugural Spirit: Darwin to Sydney, November 25 - December 7, 2008.Cruise to Katherine where champagne and antipasto accompany indigenous presentations before travelling to Alice Springs and an optional helicopter tour of the McDonnell Ranges. Enjoy two nights in an Alice Springs hotel before departing for Coober Pedy, then three days in Adelaide (pictured, above) and two in Melbourne where scenic trips to the Mornington Peninsula or Daylesford can be arranged. Continue to Canberra before arriving in Sydney via the Blue Mountains.
• The Transcontinental: Sydney to Perth, December 8 - December 16, 2008.The first three days are a scenic trip to Canberra via the Blue Mountains. Activities in the capital city include visits to the Australian War Memorial and National Gallery of Australia. Arrive in Melbourne and explore the Dandenong Ranges or central Melbourne. Spend two nights in Adelaide then, as part of the Nullarbor experience, visit Kalgoorlie. Upon arrival in Perth (pictured, above), choose from excursions such as a visit to Rottnest Island.
• New Year's Gem: Darwin to Perth, December 26, 2008 - January 6, 2009.Begin in Darwin with city sightseeing and crocodile encounters. Cruise World Heritage areas before arriving in Katherine for a tour of Katherine Gorge and viewing indigenous cultural activities. Alice Springs and Uluru precede Coober Pedy where New Year's Eve is celebrated with dinner underground. Then to Adelaide for an optional Murray River cruise or Kangaroo Island four-wheel-drive excursion. Tour the wine regions before overnighting on the train. Visit Cook on the Nullarbor, then continue to Perth.
• The Grand Tour: Brisbane to Darwin, January 22 - February 3, 2009.Start in Brisbane with a welcome function at Mount Coot-Tha featuring champagne and canapes. Enjoy a seafood dinner on a private jetty in Coffs Harbour, and an overnight hotel stay. Spend the morning on the beaches and walking trails of Coffs Harbour before an overnight visit to the Hunter Valley. Then on to Sydney, where dinner is on the 36th floor of the Shangri-La Hotel, before journeying next day to the Blue Mountains and Canberra. Melbourne is another hotel stop then cruise to Adelaide before taking in Alice Springs, Katherine and Darwin. |
Advertorial, I'd say. Definitely aimed at the overseas tourist market...
URL: http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4597897a34.html
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Dodge10
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:35 pm
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I read the same advert in the SMH website with a vastly different picture of the train. Those eNZeders must be using some photographic licence to what is poted on the link to GSR's Southern Spirit website (which works rather well on a decent computer!!!).
Just a thought in passing, but I quite think the deep emerald green and white oval logo look really cool if they go with that livery theme.
I quite like the idea of travelling BNE to Dar via Mel and ADL myself. If it is aimed at the high end tourists, then good marketing ploy by GSR!! Just think if it could link with the Cunards at either end of the country with a train trip in between??? BNE to Perth, whoo hoo!
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