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tonyp
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:52 pm
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| route14 wrote: | | Looks like their light rail routes are not interconnected. Not an efficient way of working the system. |
Early days for Paris - you need to look into the background. Like London they're just starting to tackle decades of bus domination.
Tramexpert your last post was a better explanation than the first. I still feel a book is a more useful way of conveying this comparative information. While an electronic resource can be more readily updated, it can be unweildy to use for such a large amount of information.
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Tramexpert
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route14
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:27 pm
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You mean that light rail vehicles can be delivered via heavy rail lines as stock balancing movements?
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tonyp
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:27 pm
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| route14 wrote: | | You mean that light rail vehicles can be delivered via heavy rail lines as stock balancing movements? |
Just to ease the emerging "lost in the translation" in this thread you can find out a bit about Paris via:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?referrerid=39159&t=655652
"The first line was opened in 1992, the second in 1997, the third and the fourth in 2006.
More lines are planned.
The Parisian system is quite weird because no one of these lines are connected to an other light rail lines.
The situation will soon change with the extention of T2 at Porte de Versailles (T3)"
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wongm
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:04 pm
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| route14 wrote: | | You mean that light rail vehicles can be delivered via heavy rail lines as stock balancing movements? |
The Victorian Railways broad gauge St Kilda - Brighton tramway was connected to the main suburban railway network at St Kilda, and on at least one occasion they dragged tramcars over the suburban lines from there to the Newport Workshops.
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tonyp
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:47 pm
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Same on NSW system in several places.
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route14
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:28 am
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I don't know if the former goods line that Sydney light rail "recycled" is still connected to the suburban network, but even so, in any case that you need to transfer light rail trams via heavy rail, they have to be towed due to the difference in voltage. Therefore in the Paris network SHOWN, you would have a lot of work to do to shift rollingstock between lines. I don't think any light rail tram would run on voltages as high as 1500V, nor do I think any heavy rail would run below that (unless third rail power).
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tonyp
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:05 pm
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I was referring to the old Sydney tram network, and yes trams were towed by old steam tram motors. MLR Lilyfield line is (but not presently actively) to Sydney suburban network but I don;t think they'd mve trams that way anyway - would use road loader.
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dat581
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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:23 am
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I think the connection is very rarely used to bring in a rail grinder for use on the line up to Darling Drive. An old Sydney Scrubber Car was used on the on street bit just before the line opened. Don't know if it's still trucked in from time to time.
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Sydney_Gunzel
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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:17 am
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| dat581 wrote: | | I think the connection is very rarely used to bring in a rail grinder for use on the line up to Darling Drive. An old Sydney Scrubber Car was used on the on street bit just before the line opened. Don't know if it's still trucked in from time to time. |
Sydney Light Rail hired 134s (D class scrubber) from the Tramway museum to clean the rails prior to the opening of the light rail. AFAIK it hasn't been repeated, and probably won't be.
The light rail runs at 750v DC, compared to heritage stock's 600v DC. Extra banks of resistors were fitted to the roof to enable running on 750v, as well as the fitting of a pantograph from one of the museums Berlin cars.
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dat581
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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:35 pm
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At least we know it's not to hard to rig a 600V tram to work on 750V so if the network gets expanded they might let an R or a P class cruise around a bit...
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