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John of Melbourne
The Ghost of George Stephenson
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:13 pm
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| philbert wrote: | | Perhaps someone from Connex timetabling could comment ... you know, if they were on these forums ... *cough* *cough* |
I know of a Connex timetables person who frequents another forum, but he doesn't post on Railpage, so I'll have a go...
| merlin wrote: | | EvanC wrote: | | Connex are required to provide track access for the steam shuttles just as they are any other V/Line train - currently all heritage trains are (legally) V/Line trains. Where it changes with Elecrail tours is that Connex would actually be the operator; it would be a Connex train running on a Connex S circular, possibly with a group of Connex AOs as on-board supervisors. |
I understand this. So, the real question then becomes: Are Connex currently penalized if a V/Line service's failure causes spark services to run late/get cancelled?
If the answer is no, then Connex have nothing to [complain] about what so ever.
If the answer is yes, then it's merely an extension of the status quo (although tI could see why Connex would not want to increase their chances of copping a fine, no matter how unlikely/infrequently it may occur).
This all poses a second question: Why can't the heritage sparks just run under the V/Line "banner" too? Lack of (gasp) accreditation, I assume? |
My understanding is that yes, Connex do get penalised for any delays caused by V/Line. But they then claim that penalty back from V/Line. So who do they claim the penalty back from if a heritage train causes delays to regular services?
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vr75
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Location: Bell Park / geelong
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 10:07 pm
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the way I have been lead to belive while I have been volunteering at steamrail for the last 2 or so years is that!
with our steam and diesel hauled train's and if it holds up a regular V/line or connex train DOI carrys the cost incurred by the fine (if any).
back to elecrail
with the current issue with the way that I am lead to belive is that:-
connex do not have an issue with running elecrail trains same with it's drivers, operators, conductors.. etc..etc..etc..
the way I am lead to believe is that it is just one bloke at DOI (don't know his name "probably best that I don't") is just being an arrogant person and just don't want to do the work in order to get elecrail up running again.
also the way I am lead to belive is that there is one angel of approach before elecrail / srv pulls out pages apon pages of petition that has been collected over just one weekend to show the support of the taits/doggies and L class out running again.
in this petition is current mainline drivers for V/line and connex conductors and safety personnel that has sighned this petition.
hope this will help shed some light on the issues elecrail has been faced with in order to get the old beast's out again for the public to have the opportunity to ride on them again.
david
Last edited by vr75 on Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:26 pm; edited 1 time in total
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EvanC
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 1:46 am
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| John of Melbourne wrote: | | philbert wrote: | | Perhaps someone from Connex timetabling could comment ... you know, if they were on these forums ... *cough* *cough* |
I know of a Connex timetables person who frequents another forum, but he doesn't post on Railpage, so I'll have a go... |
Well, there tends to be more than just one name on the tops of those S circulars.... 
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mjja
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:28 pm
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| philbert wrote: | | merlin, the answer is given earlier: V/Line do not operate electric trains. |
They don't operate steam either... and that seems to work OK. RFR excepted of course!
Happy Gunzelling and remember, "Go by rail!"
Michael Angelico
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(My opinions are my own unless specifically stated.)
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Greatfox
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:14 pm
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so... it's been more than a year since the last post... has there been any progress on getting elecrail back up and running trips?
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574M
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:19 pm
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Well, rather than get all mythical and rustle up a few myths, it might be best if we ask someone who knows what is going on.
I recall sthyer suggesting that Steamrail were following the trail of becoming a fully accreddited operator in their own right. I wonder, if and when that happens, if Steamrail may afford to Elecrail their cover as operator in order to enable them to conduct trips with heritage electric multiple units.
Any comment, sthyer?
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vr75
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:16 am
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| 574M wrote: | Well, rather than get all mythical and rustle up a few myths, it might be best if we ask someone who knows what is going on.
I recall sthyer suggesting that Steamrail were following the trail of becoming a fully accreddited operator in their own right. I wonder, if and when that happens, if Steamrail may afford to Elecrail their cover as operator in order to enable them to conduct trips with heritage electric multiple units.
Any comment, sthyer? |
as being heavily involved with steamrail myself this has been a very slow process and requires a fair few hurdles to jump.
It takes time and allot of hard work to put everything into place before steamrail can have it's own accreditation and to help the elecrail division running trains again.
I wish to thank everybody for their patiance and support while we are exorsting all of our avenues and putting everything into place so elecrail can venture out again.
David.
steamrail volunteer
active volunteer with steamrail as a marketing secetery, a souvenir sales person and a carrage maintainer among other things
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sthyer
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:29 am
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One of the most pressing reasons for Steamrail to gain accreditation as an operator is to once again see the electrics grace the rails. The process is underway, it's not an easy task but with some hard work and co-operation from 'the right places', it will happen.
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Stuart
Hanlon's Razor - Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity
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