VR paint variations between Preservation Groups

fast01 · Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:44 pm

Going on Dthead's advice here: [url] http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11326362-s405.htm[/url]

rjcas · Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:05 pm

Going on what VBAndy is saying, this was actually true, Locos were painted across Victoria so there was no Actual uniform VR shade Blue and Gold, even the logo shape and size varied too. Take S303 as an example, the logo on it when it came out was pretty much the same as the B's (Nitpicking I know but there are some small differences in the letters).

Going on what the Rev was asking, this was asked as the Yarra Valley Tourist Railway has an association with the SRHC, so I'm guessing a few hints and tips may have been swapped here and there between the groups... As most have seen, T341 was painted up at the SRHC using the same paints used on S303, B74 and T378.

Originally no one was saying that the SRV shades of paints were wrong... No one originally said that the SRHC paints were the true VR shades of blue and yellow, this was only a false assumption by you TW...

As I said, don't start this argument and play the victim later...

Gone to the Pub... I'll be home tomorrow night....

t_woodroffe · Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:13 pm

dthead · Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:19 pm

fast01 · Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:28 pm

rjcas · Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:38 pm

[quote="t_woodroffe"]

michaelgreenhill · Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:56 pm

The way I see it, you have two options:

Donate your oh-so-accurate swatches to your favourite preservation group - or better still, all of them - and then you can rest assured that the next loco painted will be in Terry's authentic VR colours
Shut up and get over it. It's off by an order of magnitude of bugger all. If you get this antsy about colours, how are you not exploding with sheer anger at the completely inaccurate paint jobs used by 707 Ops, SRV, Puffing Billy, etc...

Michael Greenhill
RP2 System Lord, RP3 Lead Developer
Rules for Posting | Help for Beginners | FAQ | Helpdesk

My photos on Flickr.

Supt. of Printing · Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:35 pm

Deep Throat · Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:45 pm

Said it before and I'll back michaelgreenhill.

t_woodroffe, send a blank cheque, and said paint swatches to:

Seymour Railway Heritage Centre
PO Box 515
Seymour Vic 3660

and

Steamrail Victoria
PO Box 125
Newport Vic 3015

When cheques for repainting are cashed (I hope you've got deep pockets) and locos are repainted - if there are then any faults, then saddle that high horse.

This is endemic of a now thankfully disappearing attitude amongst some people formerly responsible for archival collections. Rather than using the resources donated to them or pbtained for the betterment of rail preservation, they hung onto it, making sure that it was used for 'genuine research' which was determined on very narrow lines.

At least now, while still recognising the need for proper conservation techniques and ensuring the security of the items, that they will be used to prevent such arguments.

Anonymous - and proud of it.

VBAndy · Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:39 pm

TW, your picking a fight ya can't win.

Shades and fonts varied over the years, goes without saying...thousands of collections of photos can prove it. To date, the closest matches I've seen are SRHC's B74, S303 & T378. YVTR's T341 & Walker now joins the ranks. This goes not only for correct shades of the colours, but also for lettering, space between lines etc.

I don't knock the work Steamrail does, I mightent agree with some of their approaches but they still do good work. But for you to say T356's blue and gold is dead on is sheer stupidity. T356 is the least accurate attempt to date. If ya need proof of that, search around for a picture of T356 when it was brand spankers, then in service. Then compare those to a current day shot. You can do the same with the L.

If we really want to be technical, the most accurate locos in VR livery are those that still retain the livery it wore in service.

Ultimatley this comes down to "Whose the biggest Rivet Nazi" but c'mon mate, you can't tell me your that biased.

http://photobucket.com/VBAndy

TheRev · Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:52 am

I reckon everybody needs to calm down a little.

VRfan · Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:04 pm

VBAndy · Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 3:17 pm

Nice photo VRfan, I agree with you about the T's. They look great in the picture, and they looked great weathered. A fair crack at an accurate livery. Only thing I can nit pick about with that paticular shot is those damned ditch lights Razz

Seeing that photo reminds me of the good ol' days. No logos plastered all over the cars and locos, no full length handrails. Good era of preservation

Real shame now days though. Take a similar photo, 40 different SRV logos on the one train, thomas the tank blue diesels...what the hell went wrong? Razz

http://photobucket.com/VBAndy

639 · Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:59 pm

We will just have to wait and see what colours T364 appears in after its overhaul. Personally I think SRHC have done a great job with the colours the blue looks spot on the yellow is very close.

639
A member of Steamrail, DSCR and the VGR

Website updated 12/12/08
http://639.fotopic.net/

perks · Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 6:59 pm

I find it interesting that people can say this colour is right, or wrong, whatever. Most of the references as to whats right or wrong can be false on their own. A loco the second it went out the door had some amount of dirt on it. Ageing can occur very quickly in some paints and of course light levels do affect any picture, regardless of the type of film, age, etc. It seems that most references to whats right or wrong are peoples impressions, and we know how memories are.

It was mentioned that most depots had variations in their colours, and this is evident when you work on these locos.

22RM had one panel that was sanded fairly hard. I had one spot with 7 different layers of yellow paint and guess what. They were all different. Paint itself has changed dramatically in the time since the first B got painted. Early yellow paints had almost a chalky composition to it and were poor at reflecting light, giving them a lighter appearance. Later ones have higher levels of gloss even after a few years sun light. Paints also change with age, even if stored in a dark environment.

I ask you this. Get the colour numbers for a paint. Then get it mixed in Acrylic, Enamel, Spray Auto Enamel and 2 Pac and paint a comparison. They will be different. Close, but different. We did this with Wagon red when painting the ZLP and QN wagons at YVTR.

So simply, this is a question that cannot be answered. Their is a bit of a range of colours that could be argued as being correct. As for most striking, well, gloss blue and gloss yellow does it pretty well.

http://photosbymatt.fotopic.net
My YVTR photo collection