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Teditor
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:11 pm
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Earlier in the piece I mentioned my Teditor's Tales that were on the ddmrc.com website in the Library, if any of you have read and enjoyed them, I am quite happy to put the last few chapters on line there.
As far as the 35 class debate goes, the glaring error to me is still the mounting lugs in the front of the side valance, but I did see and hear one of these running at Murwillumbah and other than one derailment (observed by myself) the locomotive seemed to run great and brought back memories (even if it was green).
One thing to remember on here, is that Model Railroading (Railwaying) is FUN and we are all mates.
Teditor.
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:53 pm
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| Teditor wrote: | Earlier in the piece I mentioned my Teditor's Tales that were on the ddmrc.com website in the Library, if any of you have read and enjoyed them, I am quite happy to put the last few chapters on line there.
As far as the 35 class debate goes, the glaring error to me is still the mounting lugs in the front of the side valance, but I did see and hear one of these running at Murwillumbah and other than one derailment (observed by myself) the locomotive seemed to run great and brought back memories (even if it was green).
One thing to remember on here, is that Model Railroading (Railwaying) is FUN and we are all mates.
Teditor. |
Ted you are right about the hobby being fun.
& I agree with you on the lugs. As mentioned I have started the upgrading process, tender done, now to the engine. My thought is to try & use some model putty on the lugs to smooth them over, as I will do on the front buffer beam with the kadee cut out.
I sat down with the 35 book, & noted that from around 1922 onwards they started getting the standard smokebox door. So maybe for the early blue ones its wrong, but then some photos show a sort of difference in some earlier ones as well.
I also looked at both the funnel & dome & I thought that the lip on them was not as bad as made out to be, certainly no worse than an articulated model from the same factory.
Mine was happilly running untill I started the detailing work, will see if its ok tomorrow for a stint around the layout, & then down to some serious work with the air brush.
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:56 pm
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| nadnerb_2000 wrote: | | a6et wrote: | I personally consider the exhaust sound overall is a bit too sharp & more akin to a 36cl as the 35cl was a particuarly soft engine.
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With the QSI chip thats a fairly easy fix.
It is possible to adjust each sound effect's volume separately.
For instance with the AD60, I turned the whistle volume up to maximum. Made a world of difference.
The chuff could very easily be turned down. If you reduced the chuff volumes from, say, 11 to 7, you'd make it much softer, whilst still retaining the volume of the whistle, compressor etc etc etc. Something to have a fiddle around with and fix to your taste.
Pays to read the manual. I don't have the C35 but I suspect the manual will be similar to the one found on the QSI website. But check yours before doing this if you don't want to do a reset.
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I had a drive of one(35) the other day and thought it sounded very much like my in sync Garratt(chuff).
The only thing i dont like about these QSI chips is at start off when it chuff chuffs then once it reaches speed it sounds like a agitating washing machine and looses its stroking chuff is their any way of fixing this.
Other than that it looked good and i cant wait to get one myself
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a6et
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:13 pm
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[quote="anzac1959"]| nadnerb_2000 wrote: | | a6et wrote: | I personally consider the exhaust sound overall is a bit too sharp & more akin to a 36cl as the 35cl was a particuarly soft engine.
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I had a drive of one(35) the other day and thought it sounded very much like my in sync Garratt(chuff).
The only thing i dont like about these QSI chips is at start off when it chuff chuffs then once it reaches speed it sounds like a agitating washing machine and looses its stroking chuff is their any way of fixing this.
Other than that it looked good and i cant wait to get one myself |
As I have other things on at the momemt I do want to get to programming the sound.
As I mentioned above the sound is far too sharp for a 35cl, as they had quite a soft exhaust, especially when handled by experienced drivers.
As the whistle & pump sounds correct, I suspect they have possibly done some recordings off 26 since it has been back in service. Although whilst the pump is correct it does not seem to have enough of an echo for for a 35cl, but is ok.
If the volumn is down, it may sound better, also check the speaker, as it needs to have a sealed enclosure around it. This is a problem with all models & the speakers provided.
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NSWGR1855
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:23 pm
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[quote="a6et"]| NSWGR1855 wrote: |
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| Quote: | | The 35 and NN chimney's are better but still are coarsely proportioned, and have an excessively thick join to the smoke box. |
Tend to remember a similar comment in the AMRM review of the Eureka Garratt
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In the end, what I would like to see, is that you & your rivet counting mates, band together & form a company in order to put your money where your mouths are, & produce us the perfect model. |
Eureka, Austrains, Auscission, all have shown they have rivet counting experts making the decissions.
I would suggest you get your facts correct before making negative claims about models. The Eureka Garratt's chimney's proportions are excellent and the join to the smoke box is as close to scale as it comes. The Austrains 35 and NN are no where near the fineness of the Eureka 60. Your comments clearly show you are the biased one. I will stick to facts. Here is another inaccuracy on the Austrains 35 for you to consider correcting. The sand boxes on the valance are to high. Another unnecessary error easily spotted from a normal viewing distance without the aid of a microscope or micrometer. If John listened to to rivet counters there would not be any mistakes of significance. As for the running qualities of brass, my unmodified brass 36 runs and hauls more than any unmodified out of the box Austrains 36 or 35. There is no technical or economic reason why Austrains could not match the running qualities of the Korean made brass 36 and 35. It's purely the attitude of the owner, unfortunately his attitude is similar to other importers who supply all sorts of inaccurate coarse models.
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Teditor
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:25 pm
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Although I worked on the NSWGR's, I have just worked out why I now model N Scale American Outline, there are no faults to be found with any of the models, so the hobby will survive.
There are no such things as course details, because you can't see them anyway, and sounds not a problem, because you know it will be tinny, so you don't object.
And unlike Australian HO, I can by an N Scale ConCor Southen Pacific for just $600.00 (at the time of the dollars value, that's what it cost me), and have a nice static display within minutes because it 'did' have sound, a 'orrible one at that, akin to gears being ripped apart.
I think I should get a 35 class, number it 3510 and statically display it, then I know I won't be disappointed as it will duplicate the prototype I knew so well.
The Beat Goes On.
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a6et
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:37 pm
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[quote="NSWGR1855"]| a6et wrote: | | NSWGR1855 wrote: |
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| Quote: | | The 35 and NN chimney's are better but still are coarsely proportioned, and have an excessively thick join to the smoke box. |
Tend to remember a similar comment in the AMRM review of the Eureka Garratt
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In the end, what I would like to see, is that you & your rivet counting mates, band together & form a company in order to put your money where your mouths are, & produce us the perfect model. |
Eureka, Austrains, Auscission, all have shown they have rivet counting experts making the decissions.
I would suggest you get your facts correct before making negative claims about models. The Eureka Garratt's chimney's proportions are excellent and the join to the smoke box is as close to scale as it comes. The Austrains 35 and NN are no where near the fineness of the Eureka 60. Your comments clearly show you are the biased one. I will stick to facts. Here is another inaccuracy on the Austrains 35 for you to consider correcting. The sand boxes on the valance are to high. Another unnecessary error easily spotted from a normal viewing distance without the aid of a microscope or micrometer. If John listened to to rivet counters there would not be any mistakes of significance. As for the running qualities of brass, my unmodified brass 36 runs and hauls more than any unmodified out of the box Austrains 36 or 35. There is no technical or economic reason why Austrains could not match the running qualities of the Korean made brass 36 and 35. It's purely the attitude of the owner, unfortunately his attitude is similar to other importers who supply all sorts of inaccurate coarse models. |
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1: I am not the biased one, I was prepared to initialy let things go, then with some prodding I gave what I considered an overall review pointing out aspects of the model. This was I think, received in due light by all on the group. I pointed areas with the model but said, & I still maintain that despite those problems the model is a good model, a huge step up from the 36.
Some time after you came in with all of the problems with it, that says the rivet counters give it a thumbs down. You concentrated on the wheels without saying what the other problems were. Then by drips & drops you reveal more & more, & we are still in a drought.
Now I have Eureka models, as well as others on order & paid for, as well as from TOR & await others. I don't care who produces what I am after, I consider what we get today far superior to the huge prices we had to pay for back in the early 60's, which I doubt if you could have survived without a respirator.
You defend the Eureka model garratt, yet even the AMRM review mentions what I have, I mentioned some others as well, & I think that if I wanted to be a real rivet counter I could tell more, but I don't want to for the simple reason that it is a good model, & I am pretty well happy with it, despite bits that have fallen off, that should have been securelly glued in place at the factory, now they are gone. Yet, I am happy with the garratt, despite the problems.
You mentioned about bits falling off brass models, that with a clean up can be soldered back on, yet with the plastic material with the garrat, if a bit falls off & you are lucky to find it, what sort of glue can you use to stick it back on with? Surelly a close to $1000.00 model should be a bit better than that, or at least we should know what to used to repair, as styrene, palstic, or super glue seems to not work.
Anyway I am happy with the 35, despite its problems & I guess I will be with the 32 & 38's as well as the 40cl & whatever after that. So will they be perfect? I don't know. if its the attitude of the owner, sometimes I have no doubt as to why they have those attitudes.
Earlier you had said that you have ordered a TOR 32 & a Eureka 38. Why only one 38? if they will be so good then a couple would surelly be warranted, (I have ordered & paid for 2 ages ago). What will your opinion of the TOR 32 be if it has other than AMRM wheels?
What is more obvious now is that the way you have spoken about the owner of Austrains shows that there would be little likelihood of him produceing anything that is suitable to your standards. & I wonder if as a consequence of that could you be fair in any aspect of the model.
Without wanting to further this discussion, I think that we can all take a breath, have a shower, get refreshed as we await the arrival of the next round of models, lets hope some will get here for Christmas.
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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:15 am
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| Teditor wrote: | Earlier in the piece I mentioned my Teditor's Tales that were on the ddmrc.com website in the Library, if any of you have read and enjoyed them, I am quite happy to put the last few chapters on line there.
Teditor. |
They are thoroughly enjoyable reads Ted. More Please....................!
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Teditor
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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:14 pm
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JD4980, thanks for your comment, as I have only had one reply, and it is a positive one, I have taken that as 100% satisfaction with my stories, therefore I have now placed the last parts of Teditors tales on the club web site - ddmrc.com
Once you get on the Home page, select Library, then Articles and then the part you wish to read, it goes up to 16.
Happy reading
Ted (Teditor) Freeman
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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:50 pm
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| Teditor wrote: | JD4980, thanks for your comment, as I have only had one reply, and it is a positive one, I have taken that as 100% satisfaction with my stories, therefore I have now placed the last parts of Teditors tales on the club web site - ddmrc.com
Once you get on the Home page, select Library, then Articles and then the part you wish to read, it goes up to 16.
Happy reading
Ted (Teditor) Freeman |
Ted
You know mine, & I scavenged them onto my computer. How are the K wagon decals comming?
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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:57 am
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Teditor,
I have just read through all the stories and found them to be most entertaining.
I have read the story on the sick loco turning the fire some where before but it still reads well.
Good stories mixed with the sad realities of a [sometimes] dangerous job.
Vote one, the Teditor.
Regards and respect.
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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 1:17 pm
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This must be one of the longest threads in Railpage Australia™ history.
" MORE TRACTIVE EFFORT BOYS"
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Teditor
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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 1:29 pm
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It's probably gotten a bit off the original track too, but looks like everyones enjoying it, so let's enjoy.
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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:30 pm
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| Teditor wrote: | Although I worked on the NSWGR's, I have just worked out why I now model N Scale American Outline, there are no faults to be found with any of the models, so the hobby will survive.
There are no such things as course details, because you can't see them anyway, and sounds not a problem, because you know it will be tinny, so you don't object.
And unlike Australian HO, I can by an N Scale ConCor Southen Pacific for just $600.00 (at the time of the dollars value, that's what it cost me), and have a nice static display within minutes because it 'did' have sound, a 'orrible one at that, akin to gears being ripped apart.
I think I should get a 35 class, number it 3510 and statically display it, then I know I won't be disappointed as it will duplicate the prototype I knew so well.
The Beat Goes On.
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Ted
Now that I have got the decals off, I will try to plug the lugs, & let you know how it goes.
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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:28 pm
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| MR-DUCK wrote: | | This must be one of the longest threads in Railpage Australia™™ history. |
Lol, it's nowhere near. Check out the huge threads from The Lounge (over 200 pages long) and the Comedy of Ebay in the HO Section, right here, over 50 pages long.
I tested my 35 class on my really poor Hornby points under its own power last night. Under high speed, going forward, it would have no problems, nor if it were slow. It had superb slow speed running, without jerks. It was installed with an NCE D14SR decoder, which is not great for slow running - you'll want a Lenz Silver or TCS decoder for superb slow speed running. But for some weird reason, the 35 performed flawlessly under slow speed.
Running backwards was interesting. Under super slow speed running, it could go through the points fine, with only once out of the six times tested it jumped a rail. Under high speed, it can't go through without derailment.
Don't forget that a steam engine, as well as all other trains, were never built to go around ridiculous and impossible curves, as mentioned in the AMRM many times. If you had appropriate, large radius points, there shouldn't be many problems with derailments as the wheels have more room to move and won't have the urge to jump the rail since the curve is bigger.
People may have some criticisms here and there, but I'm perfectly happy and won't complain. 
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