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mjja
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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 10:49 pm
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There's a little green delta between Wellington Parade South, the Jolimont line and Jolimont Road. It's marked as Wellington Park in the Melway, but a quick Google Earth shows that it's fairly dense scrub with no walk/bike tracks through it.
Is it any use to anyone as it is now?
Would it be operationally useful as a tram depot?
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:35 am
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Maybe, but i suspect the easier option would be some of the less "choice" blocks around Docklands/Footscray Rd.
BTW what's this talk about a CBD bus station? Is it going to happen?
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:10 am
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Well you could do I suppose, but I don't really think that spot would be a convenient size or shape.
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mjja
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:24 pm
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I was kind of steering clear of Footscray Road in case Dynon Yard needs to expand. We keep hearing that the freight task will double by 2020, I don't want it all on road.
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:33 pm
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The block isn't that large, and you'd find a great deal of opposition from local residents and businesses if you were to take away their park and replace it with a fugly tram depot.
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:28 pm
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If anything were to go in the inner city, it would go north of Docklands, as the industrial land is cheap and there would be enough space with little opposition.
Any expansion of Dynon will probably be out west - Laverton etc.
Dynon's days are numbered I think.
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mjja
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:42 pm
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The docks can't move to Altona... there would still have to be some transport presence in the area.
Anyway, another idea - No 2 Goods Shed? I can't find any reference to what it's being used for currently.
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:09 am
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That shed would make a great depot! Its everything you need in a tram depot: a great big long shed! It would have good access to Spencer and Flinders sts, and when the Colins St tram is extended to cross the Docklands line, good access to Colins, Bourke and Latrobe as well. A city depot!
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MelbourneCity
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 2:12 pm
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But it's a waste of land. That whole area is being revitalised as a commercial and residential area.
Now, if it were to be an underground depot, that would be a different issue, but thats not going to happen.
Any new depot will go to a brownfields redevelopment.
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:37 pm
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| mjja wrote: | | Anyway, another idea - No 2 Goods Shed? I can't find any reference to what it's being used for currently. |
The north end is being converted into offices at the moment:
If you were going to use it for rail, then a railway museum would be a much better use... 
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mjja
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:12 pm
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I thought that one had been scuppered already...
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 2:42 pm
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Why place a depot in an area so close to the city...
i think all tram depots within 10km from the city should be relocated...
they are wasting space in an area that could b develpoed into something decent...
how bout a tram depot in Vermont South..
or when the Knox extension is built...
in Wantirna South
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 3:32 pm
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Tram depots need to be sited as close as possible to the routes they will service. Currently most depots service 2 or 3 main routes not just one.
A depot at Vermont South (or even beyond) would only lie close to the 75. A tram leaving Vermont South for the City does not return to its origin for over 2 hours. This means that for example with the first car at 4.30am from Vermont South that tram will not return until almost 7.00am.
If there is no input from anywhere else then there will be no down service until that first tram returns. Likewise in the evening if your last tram is due in at 1.00am then it will need to leave Vermont South soon after 10.30pm. These options create unacceptable imbalances in the service.
The same sort of thing happens after the morning peak andbefore the evening when trams would be required to make a trip of over an hour all but empty in order to provide balancing peak time services.
YT is seeking depot capacity closer to the CBD in order to run trams out onto several routes from the City end and provide a balanced service. The existing depots are already well situated in most cases to provide service input at the outer ends. Those depots do not need replacing; the extra capacity is really required at the City end of things.
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 3:49 pm
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good point
neva looked at it like that
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 5:29 pm
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| Gwiwer wrote: | Tram depots need to be sited as close as possible to the routes they will service. Currently most depots service 2 or 3 main routes not just one.
A depot at Vermont South (or even beyond) would only lie close to the 75. A tram leaving Vermont South for the City does not return to its origin for over 2 hours. This means that for example with the first car at 4.30am from Vermont South that tram will not return until almost 7.00am.
If there is no input from anywhere else then there will be no down service until that first tram returns. Likewise in the evening if your last tram is due in at 1.00am then it will need to leave Vermont South soon after 10.30pm. These options create unacceptable imbalances in the service.
The same sort of thing happens after the morning peak andbefore the evening when trams would be required to make a trip of over an hour all but empty in order to provide balancing peak time services.
YT is seeking depot capacity closer to the CBD in order to run trams out onto several routes from the City end and provide a balanced service. The existing depots are already well situated in most cases to provide service input at the outer ends. Those depots do not need replacing; the extra capacity is really required at the City end of things. |
The usual demand for first inbound service is normally earlier than that of outbound anyway. Also for evening peaks, operating efficiency of Car out (Vermont South Depot) -- City -- Car in (Vermont South Depot) = Car out (Camberwell Depot) -- City -- Vermont South -- Car in (Camberwell Depot) = Car out (depot near City) -- Vermont South -- Car in (depot near City).
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