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Mr. Lane
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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 2:46 am
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myki could be incorperated into the Victorian drivers licence.
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tomohawk
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Location: Abbotsford, Melbourne
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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:21 pm
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| Mr. Lane wrote: | | myki could be incorperated into the Victorian drivers licence. |
Actually that's a brilliant idea...
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Natronomonas
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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 1:17 pm
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I can't see a combined license + myki, especially if the licence info is also electronic. Too much potential for your entire life details to be on the one card (I know, identity theft these days is probably really easy, but no point making it even easier).
Private operators run the system these days and so I can't see a Govt dept sharing a card.
However, combined credit cards, supermarket (ie instead of 4c/l discount, maybe free trip every couple hundred spent) I can imagine.
Getting the supermarkets onside would probably be almost as powerful as the licence, methinks.... we visit them every week, not every 10 years  (unless, you've been a naughty driver!  )
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tomohawk
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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:54 pm
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| Natronomonas wrote: | I can't see a combined license + myki, especially if the licence info is also electronic. Too much potential for your entire life details to be on the one card (I know, identity theft these days is probably really easy, but no point making it even easier).
Private operators run the system these days and so I can't see a Govt dept sharing a card.
However, combined credit cards, supermarket (ie instead of 4c/l discount, maybe free trip every couple hundred spent) I can imagine.
Getting the supermarkets onside would probably be almost as powerful as the licence, methinks.... we visit them every week, not every 10 years (unless, you've been a naughty driver! ) |
RFID passports already exist.
Besides, who said the licence had to be electronic? Just the same as the student ID cards WA School students get. Has their details printed on it (if the school wants), and an RFID chip that has SmartRider (transperth's "myki") inside.
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BMTA511
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Location: Mahachai City
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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:37 am
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That land around the stations should never be used for car parking, markets or "railway villages". This kind of land use is very low value and creates a barrier instead of a town centre.
As to getting to the station from 1.5km away there are a number of options.
1. Connecting feeder bus route.
2. On demand aircon Van service.
3. High frequency Truck - Bus service.
4. Ride a bike and leave it chained up at the station. Not the best when its raining at 32 C or 43 C and humid.
The land use that should be promoted at or above stations are large office and condo towers with attached shopping plaza or "indoor wet market".
for example if you take a station like moorabbin and its surrounding land. you could fit a small 3 story shopping plaza on top of it and a 40 story office/condo tower with direct access to the station. The railway could get massive rental and resale income from this in away that is similar to the MTR system in HK.
Not only would build very high density on top of most station in melb help reduce housing shortage pressures it would bring in great income for the railways and increase local street life and increase the numbers of people around.
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alstom_888m
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Location: Craigieburn Suburban Railway Line, Melbourne
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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:55 am
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| BMTA511 wrote: | | That land around the stations should never be used for car parking, markets or "railway villages". This kind of land use is very low value and creates a barrier instead of a town centre. |
True, we probably need more stations in the spirit of Box Hill. Shopping Centre above, Station below. More convenient for all.
| Quote: | | 1. Connecting feeder bus route. |
These already exist in many cases. In my case it's a tram, but has similar effect.
| Quote: | | 4. Ride a bike and leave it chained up at the station. Not the best when its raining at 32 C or 43 C and humid. |
I don't recall Melbourne ever being 43C and humid. But I can't say the same for many other places however. Also, do we trust bikes in stations? It might not be seen again.
| Quote: | | The land use that should be promoted at or above stations are large office and condo towers with attached shopping plaza or "indoor wet market". |
That goes back to my suggested "Box Hill" type stations. Apartments are another idea. I'd love to ride the lift to the station.
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DalyWaters
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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 2:24 pm
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| Quote: | | Apartments are another idea. I'd love to ride the lift to the station. |
South Yarra would be the perfect place for an over station apartment block. There is a tall apartment complex nearby so it wouldn't be out of place. The station facade could be kept facing Toorak Road (if necessary). Parking access could be via the side street.
It would be very popular as South Yarra has a lot of services to the city as well as employment within walking distance.
There should be more apartments built on the air space of suitable stations. South Yarra is probably the most suitable of them all.
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Riccardo
Minister for Railways
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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:49 pm
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Good post Dalywaters
All the major junciton stations need the dozer and wrecking ball.
As SY can take an air rights development, so could Sunshine, Newport, Footscray, Burnley, Camberwell, Ringwood, Dandenong, Caulfield and Clifton Hill.
Heritage be damned! Heritage should be to keep examples of certain styles for the future. But to argue that all stations from SY to Caulfield need to be kept unchanged is ridiculous.
Chatswood station has recently been demolished and replaced with a modern concrete and steel structure that meets the requirements of the site. More balls up there!
If you need to get in touch, drop a comment at the Transport Textbook or on my blog.
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Natronomonas
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:04 am
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| Riccardo wrote: | As SY can take an air rights development, so could Sunshine, Newport, Footscray, Burnley, Camberwell, Ringwood, Dandenong, Caulfield and Clifton Hill.
Heritage be damned! Heritage should be to keep examples of certain styles for the future. But to argue that all stations from SY to Caulfield need to be kept unchanged is ridiculous.
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I disagree that heritage should be damned - at least entirely, even at major stations. However, I agree that not every station need be kept - some examples are enough, and even they need to be brought up to date in many respects (DDA compliance, etc) so it's questionable how much heritage is kept, anyway - running water, electric lighting etc is a good thing
Certainly I have no problem with stations like Camberwell being developed; it's in the middle of a big hole, anyway, so how much is actually seen of the station - how does it add amenity to the surrounds? (it doesn't). Heritage is an excuse used by NIMBYs to stop useful change (I can say this about Camberwell, since I used to live there). In fact, the Camberwell redevelopment substantially improved the station, through providing access directly from Burke Rd (speeding time to platform by at least a couple of mins from that direction, and improving tram connections) - surely a good thing. The primary complaint from locals seemed to be "the traffic will get worse".... possible, if PT wasn't upgraded to cope, and car-based planning was permitted to prevail.
Southern Cross has shown we can build great modern stations, and especially at suitable junction/majors, we should be showcasing what's possible - and in many of the heritage situations, working with the heritage to build something great, rather than leaving as-is or demolishing completely.
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