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wongm
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:23 pm
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From the Geelong Advertiser:
http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2008/09/06/17992_news.html
| Quote: | Extra carriages for busy V/line services
Jane Harper
Station works start on Monday, which will allow an extra carriage to be added to each of Geelong's four busiest trains by the end of the year, creating an extra 80 seats on each service.
At present, stations at Marshall, South Geelong and North Geelong are only long enough to accommodate six carriages, but extending the platforms by three metres will create enough space for a seventh carriage to be added.
The work at Marshall Station is expected to be completed within a few weeks, but will take longer at North and South Geelong stations as lengths of track have to be moved.
Work will start at North Geelong as soon as Marshall is completed, and at South Geelong at the end of the football season.
Disruption to services should be minimal and it is expected the extra carriages will be added by Christmas. |
Seems like a waste at Marshall all they need is 3 metres more, and they only built it a few years ago.
They might end up extending them even further to 8 cars as well, but I wonder if they end up doing it later on, needing to call the guys back again and driving up the cost... 
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574M
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:08 pm
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So, where do we get the extra carriage from? 
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Loco
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:13 pm
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My guess would be a 3 car V/Locity, along with 2 x 2 Car ones.
= 7 cars...
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kuldalai
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:08 pm
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Now none of this announcement really makes much sense.
Seven car N sets have been operating as 1715 Dn Sth Geelong well before the 05/2006 timetable.
Firstly, 7 N cars are 160m long (180m with N loco)
2 car V/L + 3 car V/L + 2 car V/L = 7 car Vlocity = 175m
Secondly, current platform lengths are Marshall 160m, Sth Geelong 159m, Geelong (1) 205m (2/3) 185m Nth Geelong 173m North Shore 173m Corio 159m Lara 173m Little River 159m Werribee Dn 170m Up 159m Newport 159m Footscray Dn 159m Up 163m Nth Melbourne (5/6) 159m .
Media report mentioned extra car on 4 busiest peak period services. That would suggest 2 Up and 2 Down stopping Marshall, Sth Geelong, Geelong, Nth Geelong, and Nth Melbourne services. Also media said take longer to extend at Sth Geelong and Nth Geelong account track moves needed.
Marshall - 7 N cars will fit in 163m at Marshall but not 7 V/L .
Sth Geelong - 7 N cars will fit in 163 m but not 7 V/L .
Geelong - already able to hold 7 N cars or 7 V/L on all plats .
Nth Geelong - Already able to hold 7 N cars and with a few extra metres could hold 7 V/L.
Nth Melbourne - (5/6) Could possibly be extended in Up direction (Signalling complications / track circuits etc ?)
Also whilst it would require moving Annet locked points further in down direction at Sth Geelong, to extend Nth Geelong at down end there should be no signals or track involved it is straight railed .
The extra cars come available as a result of cascade following arrival of V/L centre cars .
Agree, this is Mickey Mouse stuff - as a minimum the plats at Marshall,
Sth Geelong, Nth Geelong, Lara, Nth Melbourne (5/6) should be extended to 175 - 180m to accommodate 7 car V/L trains running both the Express or Ltd Express stopping patterns.
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The Vinelander
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:31 pm
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| wongm wrote: | From the Geelong Advertiser:
http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2008/09/06/17992_news.html
| Quote: | Extra carriages for busy V/line services
Jane Harper
Station works start on Monday, which will allow an extra carriage to be added to each of Geelong's four busiest trains by the end of the year, creating an extra 80 seats on each service.
At present, stations at Marshall, South Geelong and North Geelong are only long enough to accommodate six carriages, but extending the platforms by three metres will create enough space for a seventh carriage to be added.
The work at Marshall Station is expected to be completed within a few weeks, but will take longer at North and South Geelong stations as lengths of track have to be moved.
Work will start at North Geelong as soon as Marshall is completed, and at South Geelong at the end of the football season.
Disruption to services should be minimal and it is expected the extra carriages will be added by Christmas. |
Seems like a waste at Marshall all they need is 3 metres more, and they only built it a few years ago.
They might end up extending them even further to 8 cars as well, but I wonder if they end up doing it later on, needing to call the guys back again and driving up the cost... |
Hi Marcus, think of the bigger picture.
You know Marshall isn't going to be the terminus forever, err, you do don't you 
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Mickelaar
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:31 pm
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Any improvement is good improvement.
Wouldn't Werribee and the Melbourne station lengths need to be amended also?
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DalyWaters
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:38 pm
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No obvious forward planning in the building of Marshall platform, eh?
Now, lets see how they are going to extend North Melbourne!
And, will this cause a longer delay getting in to Southern Cross as the train waits for a suitable length platform to become free?
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fullofrubbish
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:57 pm
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| DalyWaters wrote: | | Now, lets see how they are going to extend North Melbourne! |
Easy. Don't stop there 
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574M
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:02 pm
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| Loco wrote: | My guess would be a 3 car V/Locity, along with 2 x 2 Car ones.
= 7 cars... |
I did think of that, but I don't think its going to happen. Big waste of trainsets, I'd say.
| The Vinelander wrote: | Hi Marcus, think of the bigger picture.
You know Marshall isn't going to be the terminus forever, err, you do don't you |
A new station called Seachange nearby Ocean Grove?
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fast01
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:17 pm
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| 574M wrote: | | Loco wrote: | My guess would be a 3 car V/Locity, along with 2 x 2 Car ones.
= 7 cars... |
I did think of that, but I don't think its going to happen. Big waste of trainsets, I'd say. |
Really? You'd better tell the Cars office quick smart that they are wasting a set on every single 2x2x2 V'locity run then...
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scottydl
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:54 pm
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The platform lengthening at the locations on the Geelong corridor will be completed in time for the 9th November VLP & Connex major timetable changes. There will be 2 x 2 Car & 1 x 3 Car Vlocity configurations on the following trains, which are the heaviest peak runs as regular commuters will vouch for -
1640 Dn Marshall & 1729 Dn Marshall flagship. The morning runs will be the 0650 Up Marshall and the 0717 Up Sth Geelong flagship. Also various off-peak and weekend running as single 3 Car units.
The 3rd 3 Car unit (VL 39) is out doing more testing on Tuesday and hopefully will finally take up its 1520 Traralgon & 0710 Up run some time later in the week.
The 4th & 5th units VL 38 (currently at Bombardier) and VL 37 (to go in as soon as 39 comes out) are planned for the increased Geelong line capacity mentioned above - by the 9th November.
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Loco
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:16 pm
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| 574M wrote: | | Loco wrote: | My guess would be a 3 car V/Locity, along with 2 x 2 Car ones.
= 7 cars... |
I did think of that, but I don't think its going to happen. Big waste of trainsets, I'd say. |
| scottydl wrote: | | There will be 2 x 2 Car & 1 x 3 Car Vlocity configurations on the following trains, which are the heaviest peak runs as regular commuters will vouch for - |
Back to what I was saying earlier?
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alstom_888m
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:06 am
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| 574M wrote: | | A new station called Seachange nearby Ocean Grove? |
Doubt it, that whole area is marshland. Be very expensive to lay tracks to Ocean Grove. It would be nice seeing as it's currently serviced by a bus every 2-3 hours with nothing after about 5:30pm, but rail... I just don't see it happening.
BTW: Marshall - marshland... geddit?
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awsgc24
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:05 am
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Note that there is another thread about Overshooting Platforms, albeit in Sydney, which has some relevance to this thread.
http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11343567.htm
All other things being equal, for fastest stops at platforms, platforms should be "significantly longer" than the trains that stop there. Otherwise the train has to slow carefully and with precision, which wastes time.
So extend the platforms by 20m not 3m. Priority should be given to platforms on steep falling gradients particularly where approach speeds are high; in Sydney this would be Pymble, Janalli, Oatley, Denistone amongst other stations.
This is one of the few things that can be done quickly to speed up Melbourne trains.
Questions: A) Are platforms in Melbourne/Brisbane/Perth/Adelaide marked with 3/6 car markers like the 4/6/8 car markers in Sydney?
B) To help passengers position themselves on the platforms, there should also be markers for the REAR of the trains. Is this done?
C) Do the electronic destination indicators on the platforms in Melbourne, etc, say how many cars the trains have, like wot Sydney does?
D) Does the minister or her minders ever read posts like this on Railpage Australia™?
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duttonbay
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 1:12 pm
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| awsgc24 wrote: | | ...like wot Sydney does? |
what?
| Quote: | | Does the minister or her minders ever read posts like this on Railpage Australia™™? |
If the answer was "yes", any credibility goes out the window when words like "wot" appear...
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