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westernline
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:30 am
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just wondering about the 40 class of the early years 1952-1957 what colours were they painted i think they had green ,blue, indian red at various stages of their careers?
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sashmo
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:31 am
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4001/4002 were painted blue for a royal tour during the 1950s.
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M636C
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:34 pm
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When introduced, the 40 class were painted "Verdant Green", theoretically the same colour as 3830 is painted now. The 40 class were shipped from Canada in grey undercoat and were painted green at Eveleigh Carriage Works, where the 38 class were also painted green. The 40 class were lined out in Buff, a cream colour, and had a red buffer beam.
Two locomotives were painted light blue ined Buff in 1954 for the Royal Train, and retained this scheme in regular service afterwards. I recall seeing a pair of 40 class at Hawkesbury River on an up freight, with a green unit leading blue 4002 in the mid 1950s.
By the early 1960s, all units had been painted Indian Red and I believe they originally retained the Buff lining although some units at least had Chrome Yellow lining, in the same pattern.
It is worth mentioning that initially the air cooled turbocharger on a 40 class required a longitudinal rectangular exhaust stack, and when later fitted with a water cooled turbocharger which had a transverse exhaust stack. Thus green locos would generally have had longitudinal stacks and red locos would have had transverse stacks.
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:25 pm
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Heres a couple
4001/02-Blue (for Royal Train in 1954,repainted to tuscan in late 50s)
4002-Blue (1957)
4003-Green (1953)
4015-Green (1958)
4016-Green (1959)
4018-Tuscan (1956)
Source-Diesel & Electric Locos of the NSWGR Vol 3
À Tout le Monde
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KngtRider
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:37 am
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When introduced, the 40 class were painted "Verdant Green", theoretically the same colour as 3830 is painted now. The 40 class were shipped from Canada in grey undercoat and were painted green at Eveleigh Carriage Works, where the 38 class were also painted green. The 40 class were lined out in Buff, a cream colour, and had a red buffer beam
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Here is a Green 40 from a set of 'The Railway Shop' issued postcards. I have included the 36 card from the same set for purposes of comparing the colouring
100dpi, colour matching enabled
Reverse side text for the 40 class
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Locomotive 4001 A1A-A1A Diesel Electric
Designed by the American Locomotive Co (ALCO) and built in Canad, the 20 units of the 40 clss became the first mainline diesels to work the N.S.W.G.R. Locomotives 4001 and 4002 re noted for their working of the Royal Train in 1954, for which they were painted blue. The original livery was green, as depicted in this hand coloured photograph produced in the early 1950's
Entered into service: 30th November 1951
Power unit: Alco 244
Continuous tractive effort: 205kN
Weight: 113t
Retired from service (4015) 13th Decemeber 1971
Copyright Bartel Photography Ptd Ltd, Sydney
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Chrome yellow makes the 40s a bit more appealing
For colour photos of 40s see
http://www.home.railscene.com/batman/australian_trains/Page0005.html
http://www.home.railscene.com/batman/australian_trains/Page0006.html
Bookmark it for future use as site documents several austerity and experimental liveries
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M636C
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:13 am
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When introduced, the 40 class were painted "Verdant Green", theoretically the same colour as 3830 is painted now. The 40 class were shipped from Canada in grey undercoat and were painted green at Eveleigh Carriage Works, where the 38 class were also painted green. The 40 class were lined out in Buff, a cream colour, and had a red buffer beam
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Here is a Green 40 from a set of 'The Railway Shop' issued postcards. I have included the 36 card from the same set for purposes of comparing the colouring
100dpi, colour matching enabled
Reverse side text for the 40 class
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Locomotive 4001 A1A-A1A Diesel Electric
Designed by the American Locomotive Co (ALCO) and built in Canad, the 20 units of the 40 clss became the first mainline diesels to work the N.S.W.G.R. Locomotives 4001 and 4002 re noted for their working of the Royal Train in 1954, for which they were painted blue. The original livery was green, as depicted in this hand coloured photograph produced in the early 1950's
Entered into service: 30th November 1951
Power unit: Alco 244
Continuous tractive effort: 205kN
Weight: 113t
Retired from service (4015) 13th Decemeber 1971
Copyright Bartel Photography Ptd Ltd, Sydney
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Chrome yellow makes the 40s a bit more appealing
For colour photos of 40s see
http://www.home.railscene.com/batman/australian_trains/Page0005.html
http://www.home.railscene.com/batman/australian_trains/Page0006.html
Bookmark it for future use as site documents several austerity and experimental liveries |
The 40 class photo is a hand coloured version of a heavily doctored (foreground and background altered) black and white photograph of the first locomotive as painted. It was probably standing outside Eveleigh Carriage works.
I think this photo first appeared in the Railway Centenary History in 1955.
While you can't really rely on the colour, it was hand coloured by the NSWGR with the intention of showing the right colour.
Green locomotives always had Buff lining as seen in this illustration.
I think 3830 is a bit darker green than 3642 (you don't often see them together), but of course, the 40 class photo isn't genuine either!
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healydj
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 6:05 pm
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I'm keen to model a 40-class in the royal blue livery used in the 1954 tour. Can anyone tell me where I can find photos that could guide me in getting the colours right? None of the links in this post work.
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C3827
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 3:50 pm
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I suggest that you contact the Railway Resource Centre of the NSW ARHS, they have an extensive photographic collection and I am sure they would have a photo of a blue 40 class.
They can be contacted on 02 9699 2736 or by email resources@arhsnsw.com.au.
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M636C
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:20 am
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There have been colour photos of the blue 40 class published in a number of issues of the Australian Model Railway Magazine (including the advertising for the Eureka models recently).
AMRM Issue 254, October 2005 is shown as having an article on modelling the 40 class and might have these photos.
It would be worth contacting the magazine and asking about colour photos of blue 40 class.
The same photos appeared in "Fifties" photo books published by the RTM, I think. The best known photos are of 4002 on the turntable at Queanbeyan on a Sunday excursion to Canberra.
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Gazza
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:27 pm
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There's a very good book "Green Diesels" by R G Preston/Eveleigh Press that chronicles the 40 and 41 classes.
Has mostly B&W photos, but some good colour ones as well.
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:16 am
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| Gazza wrote: | There's a very good book "Green Diesels" by R G Preston/Eveleigh Press that chronicles the 40 and 41 classes.
Has mostly B&W photos, but some good colour ones as well. |
Having purchased and read the book in question just recently, I can vouch for the info. As for the colour photo's, they are typically aged, so the colours are very much faded, and nothing like they would have been in real life. But it does give a VERY good representation of where each colour was applied.
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healydj
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:19 pm
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Thanks to all of you who responded. I've located two copies of the book for sale, but $110.75 is too steep.
I'll pop around to our local library tomorrow and see if they can get a copy in on inter-library loan.
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:23 pm
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Healy, heres a pic for you from Belbin Videos' Days of Steam
KNow the quality isnt too good, but its a start 
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