Who owns SZ287 & SJ cars

libertyRS · Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:45 pm

Hi everyone
With SZ 287 and the SJ cars sitting in Newport I was wondering who owns them..... and what plans there might be for them? Not really knowing much about them, when was SZ 287 last used? I think (only what I have read through magazines) it is a very unique carriage that should be restored and appreciated.

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David Peters · Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 4:28 pm

Victrack own them I think, I do not know any more though, yet! Cool

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TheRev · Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:50 pm

NSWRTM123 · Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:13 pm

Could someone please post a photo of these carriages?

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deve · Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:59 pm

according to Peter J Vincent's excellent cd.

SZ 287 started life as VAM 1

"VAM 1 was the only carriage in the class.

It was a 20 berth sleeping and sitting car. It entered service in 1963 and seems to have been a spare sleeping car for the standard gauge service Melbourne to Sydney.

Through the years it has been noted in Broad Gauge service on the 'Overland'. This may have occurred during workshops maintenance times when it would have been transferred to broad gauge.

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It was recoded to SZ 287 in 1983.

It was noted in storage in 1993."

The SJ's were originally Overland cars.

There are pic's at http://www.pjv101.net/

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wongm · Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:54 pm

VAM 1 was odd because it was one of the few VR carriages with doors at only one end.

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r707 · Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:58 am

Re-do the SJ's into 4 3x2 sitting cars, whack a PCJ on the end and you got yourself one funky new set (VJ91?) for somewhere like Geelong services. I'm sure wongm, myself and other travellers wouldn't mind it Wink

. If they must they can repaint them, orange is fine by me.

In all seriousness is there any economic sense in converting the SJ's into sitters for V/Line? They DID look at repairing ACZ260 after all...

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SN7 · Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:06 pm

The SZ was also used for various management - board & vice regal trains, It was chartered in the early 1990s to Adelaide and surrounds and was also used on the Overland during the pilots dispute.
It was the Spare car for the vinelander and used when SJs where under overhaul-repairs also at holiday times and for package tour groups.

One of the 4 SJ cars was stripped internally to provide components for Mitta Mitta , & SJ 283 was overhauled not long before the vinlelander finished and was in pretty good nick.

There have been persistent rumors that one roomette & one twinette wil eventually find there wasy into the NRM., returned to former overland guise.

The lack of retention toilets an difficulty in converting them to this waould see them unlikely return to service even if the vinelander ever returned.

TheDeadman · Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:43 pm

That could be more than a rumor.

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409 · Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 5:52 pm

Do you know if the bogies are the initial Pullman style bogies that they were originally delivered with or the usual Commonwealth Steel bogies?

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David Peters · Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:55 pm

They are the usual Commonwealth type bogies as used under all the Overland in later life!

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LowndesJ515 · Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:57 am

Apparently these two cars are to make their way to Adelaide and the NRM

SJ 281 & SJ 284

Car SJ 281

Car SJ 284

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409 · Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:32 am

Thanks for the photos mate, looks like the old Overland livery is starting to show through on SJ 284 on the roof and above the concertina.

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TheDeadman · Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:56 pm

Only SJ281 (Allambi) will be going to the NRM , SJ284 would only be taken if Allambi's condition is considered not complete or original.
Wil i think you might find that it is VR blue thats coming through underneath all the dirt and crap.

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