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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:30 pm
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Any kind of express service from these outer sprawl suburbs to the CBD would not help to acheive significant change in modal share from road to rail for the reasons stated at this link, to do with where people work:
http://www.ptua.org.au/myths/express.shtml
Basically, out of 110,000 workers in the Greater Dandenong-Casey-Cardinia region, only 8,657 people in 2001 were employed in the Melbourne CBD, with the majority of potential rail passengers being employed within the region, or in other parts of the S.E. suburbs.
Although the population of Casey in particular has grown significantly in 7 years, the percentage of those employed in the CBD would not have changed significantly.
Remember - only 15% of Melburnians visit the CBD on a given day, a figure which would be less in suburbs 30+ kilometres from it.
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Metro Transit
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Location: Stony Point Line & Frankston in Zone 3
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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:35 pm
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| Somebody in the WWW wrote: | Any kind of express service from these outer sprawl suburbs to the CBD would not help to acheive significant change in modal share from road to rail for the reasons stated at this link, to do with where people work:
http://www.ptua.org.au/myths/express.shtml
Basically, out of 110,000 workers in the Greater Dandenong-Casey-Cardinia region, only 8,657 people in 2001 were employed in the Melbourne CBD, with the majority of potential rail passengers being employed within the region, or in other parts of the S.E. suburbs.
Although the population of Casey in particular has grown significantly in 7 years, the percentage of those employed in the CBD would not have changed significantly.
Remember - only 15% of Melburnians visit the CBD on a given day, a figure which would be less in suburbs 30+ kilometres from it. |
Well there are still an enormous amount travelling to the city otherwise the trains wouldn't be getting more busier.
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Eratik
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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 3:52 pm
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In the forseeable future, there is no hope of ever seeing an express bus service along the Monash Freeway. Stupidly, the government at the time when Citylink opened up, made an agreement with Transurban, the operators of the Citylink tollway, that if the government was to implement any projects or public transport services that would greatly effect the number of vehicles using Citylink, and thus reducing Transurbans profits, Transurban would have an avenue to seek compensation from the state government. With this clause in mind, it acts as the basis of why the government to this day has ruled out any possibility of committing funds to an express bus service.
When Grendas proposed the idea a couple of years ago, they had good intentions. Trains were becoming overcrowded and an express bus service would act as a cost effective, flexible and quick to implement service that would back up the existing rail line. However the government more or less said no straight away, realising the millions of dollars in compensation they would have to pay Transurban each year.
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route14
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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 4:10 pm
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Well, the Grendas proposed route could terminate at Toorak and have City passengers transferring to route 8 tram.
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ZH836301
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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:50 pm
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| Eratic wrote: | | In the forseeable future, there is no hope of ever seeing an express bus service along the Monash Freeway. Stupidly, the government at the time when Citylink opened up, made an agreement with Transurban, the operators of the Citylink tollway, that if the government was to implement any projects or public transport services that would greatly effect the number of vehicles using Citylink, and thus reducing Transurbans profits, Transurban would have an avenue to seek compensation from the state government. With this clause in mind, it acts as the basis of why the government to this day has ruled out any possibility of committing funds to an express bus service. |
Can you point to the actual passage that suggests this?
IIRC, the compensation claims are only related to freight operations.
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wongm
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:59 pm
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| ZH836301 wrote: | Can you point to the actual passage that suggests this?
IIRC, the compensation claims are only related to freight operations. |
It seems to be an often repeated thing, but no one ever cites a reference of it. 
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