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bingley hall
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:30 pm
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| vanessa wrote: | | Exactly! This company was formed to ensure compliance with the ACCC. They all talk, work together and are involved in running a large national business. |
I love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next person, but in this particular case you are way off the mark. Yes I would have expected some collusion between Toll and Asciano, but so far, a year or more on, I have not seen any evidence to suggest this.
Perhaps you may know something we don't that you might like to share?
Bing
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vanessa
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:32 pm
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| ParkesHub wrote: | | I'm sure the ACCC would love to hear from you if you have any evidence of substance. From what I've heard (complete hearsay, mind you), there was a falling out over debt levels imposed upon Asciano. |
Asciano's profit information, ASX announcements, annual reports and various financial review articles (including a takeover) is all available should anyone wish to look. They are a company under pressure no doubt.
Their business in Victoria, tasmania and some parts of NSW is either finished or under duress. They have NSW coal business. They have announced their intentions to move into QR territory, we await the response from QR in their "backyard".
Any investor would adopt a wait and see attitude to their stock and their business.
References:
http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssIndustryMaterialsUtilitiesNews/idUSSYD26982020080806
Takeover information at $4.40
http://www.investortv.com/stories/19481,2068-20223,43647.html
Current stock pricing information
http://www.asx.com.au/asx/markets/PriceResults.jsp?method=get&template=F1001&ASXCodes=AIO
which illustrates a closing price of $3.66
Therefore, given global uncertainty, smeggy debt markets, tightening of capital, increased difficulty in raising equity with the down market, a price of $4.40 on the takeover bid would have been an excellent result for shareholders. Instead, the board elected to go it alone and now has a falling share price, (us railroad stocks have been rising over the same period), and is unprofitable on an EDBITDA basis.
A very contentious board decision in my view. You also need to add to this a large amount of debt in a period where the cost of debt funding is rising. You will also note that their debt is due for refinancing or rollover in 2010. It is highly unlikely they will pay the same rate for finance they are paying now.
"And Rowsthorn aims to rebase the balance sheet permanently ahead of the first debt roll in May 2010 by "partially monetising one or more of its operating businesses" (business-babble for selling non-controlling interests in key assets) to investors who would hold paper that ultimately converted back into Asciano paper. He said yesterday that there was a lot of interest in the assets from investors including sovereign funds, and Asciano will probably mandate its defence adviser, JPMorgan,"
Do Toll use rail carriers other an Asciano which includes pacific national?
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:34 pm
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Asciano's sell-down difficult
The company has set out a plan to deliver greater value than the rejected private equity bid.
ASCIANO'S June-year result confirms that the ports and rail freight group is a good asset combination weighed down by too much debt and that, one way or another, that has to change.
The private equity bid that Asciano rejected on price grounds is one possible solution, and yesterday Asciano managing director and substantial shareholder Mark Rowsthorn laid out another.
Asciano took less than a day to reject the $4.40-a-share scheme of arrangement proposal that Texas Pacific and the GE-Credit Suisse joint venture Global Infrastructure Partners lobbed on Monday, on price grounds.
And its plan to cut debt by partially selling off Asciano assets could deliver more value — but it will take time, and that leaves the window open for TPG and Global.
Yesterday's profit result made the problem Asciano faces crystal-clear. Operating revenue rose by 5% to $2.93 billion, and earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortisation (EBITDA) rose by a respectable 10.1% to $677.7 million in the 54 weeks to June 30, and to $652.9 million in the June year, in line with earlier guidance of between $650 million and $660 million.
But below the EBITDA line the port and rail group booked net financing costs of $385.6 million on a debt load that approaches $5 billion.
It also booked depreciation and amortisation of $255 million: depreciation is a big recurring charge for Asciano because the group runs hardware-heavy businesses, including stevedoring at Australia's four biggest container ports in Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane and Fremantle, and Pacific National, Australia's biggest rail freight carrier, biggest east-coast grain hauler and second-biggest coal hauler, primarily in the Hunter Valley.
After those charges the group was left with a pre-tax pre-abnormal charges profit of just $37.1 million: the dividend of 46¢ a share for the year that it locked in last June with a 23¢-a-share final payout will absorb $302 million.
Asciano also has heavy maintenance capital expenditure, and some big capex coming on expansion, notably its push into the Queensland coal-moving market.
Queensland Rail is the incumbent in the Queensland coalfields, and Rowsthorn's prediction is that coal exports from the state will jump from about 185 million tonnes a year to 380 million tonnes a year by 2020. That's optimistic, but it's certainly a growth market, and Asciano now has a foothold, through contracts with Rio Tinto and Xstrata to haul 14.2 million tonnes a year: less than the 30 million tonnes hoped for, but a foothold nonetheless.
Expansion in Queensland will come at a high start-up cost, however. In the year just completed, capital expenditure was $353.2 million, with about one dollar in every three going to maintenance spending, and the rest to expansion.
Capital expenditure on growth projects is expected to double next year as Asciano pushes into Queensland and continues to develop its prospects elsewhere (it is, for example, in a consortium that in April was named preferred bidder to lead Saudi Arabia's Landbridge rail upgrade project, and is also expanding its Brisbane port facilities).
Asciano has too much debt to continue paying 46¢ a share in dividends and also bankroll its maintenance expenditure and expansion spending, and yesterday Rowsthorn said that the dividend would be pruned, and ownership of the core businesses sold down.
Dividends will fall to a point where they are covered by operating free cash flow, cutting the payout from 46¢
to between 24¢ and 30¢ this financial year if Asciano makes as much as expected.
The group will cover off its growth-oriented capital expenditure this year by raising $100 million through an underwritten discount security purchase plan for shareholders capped at $5000 per investor, and another $150 million or so through an underwritten dividend reinvestment plan.
And Rowsthorn aims to rebase the balance sheet permanently ahead of the first debt roll in May 2010 by "partially monetising one or more of its operating businesses" (business-babble for selling non-controlling interests in key assets) to investors who would hold paper that ultimately converted back into Asciano paper. He said yesterday that there was a lot of interest in the assets from investors including sovereign funds, and Asciano will probably mandate its defence adviser, JPMorgan,
to begin fielding formal expressions of interest.
But as with the private equity offer, partial sell-down prices will presumably reflect the current market reality: Asciano's debt load, a shortage of funds for investment because of the credit crunch, and continuing uncertainty about the economic outlook.
Yesterday's 3% sharemarket rally may have eased those concerns but it has not erased them. The rally was tipped off by declining oil prices that in part reflect slowing global demand.
The TPG-Global consortium is considering its next move after Asciano's quick rejection. It could withdraw, but probably won't.
Price is usually negotiable, and Rowsthorn confirmed yesterday that it was price that was the problem. And in that respect the proposed private equity takeover has an interesting wrinkle.
It offers Asciano shareholders cash or an equivalent amount in shares in a new, unlisted holding company: shareholders who took the share option would have the chance to capture any gains on the later resale or
refloat of Asciano, and that argues against Rowsthorn's argument that only a bid that loads in a full control premium can be recommended.
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:46 pm
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Ok, lets chill for a bit.
While we are at it, I guess we can rule out Asciano as the new owners. There is nothing to say Toll can not own it.
Somewhere else I saw mentioned that we will know by the 1st of October. I guess that means we will be told tomorrow.
Let us just wait and see.
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ParkesHub
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:19 pm
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Everything you say is most interesting, vanessa, and pretty much what I already knew.
But where is the evidence of collusion and conspiracy between Toll and Asciano (or Arseiano, which I think is more appropriate)?
Yes, of course Toll use PN. There's really no choice. Why is that? Because Arseiano offer various incentives to use them for the total linehaul task, like Linfox get. It makes it not a good commercial proposition to use, say, QRN to do the BNE>MEL>PER stuff and then PN for all the other legs of your linehaul task. How do I know this? I know this because in my last transport iteration, FCL, we did various costing models using PN versus another linehaul provider (not QRN). The savings versus the loss of discounts at PN made it not commercially viable. So we stayed with the people we hated.
Unless Mark Rowsthorn has been taking acting lessons from his brother, I doubt the collusion theory holds any water. Mind you, I dearly love to see them all come unstuck but I doubt mediocre players like the ACCC will ever be smart enough to deal with the likes of Toll and Arseiano.
| shacks wrote: | | Ok, lets chill for a bit. |
Yeah....good point
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ParkesHub
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:21 pm
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| vanessa wrote: | ...... its defence adviser, JPMorgan,"
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With respect, JPMorgan will be damn lucky to be in business by 2010!
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Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:20 pm
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Toll have been rumoured to be interested in buying parts of Queensland Rail that may be put on the market. This is so they can compete against Asciano and show that they can run rail better.
I think the old friendships might have been a bit strained by the debt levels Asciano inherited from the split. Toll is relatively well cashed up. Asciano is in tough times.
Whe the split happened, Paul Little gave Mark Rowsthorn his chance to run a big company. He didn't give him any free kicks to get it going.
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vanessa
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Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:38 pm
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| ParkesHub wrote: |
But where is the evidence of collusion and conspiracy between Toll and Asciano (or Arseiano, which I think is more appropriate)? |
My original post related to the impact Asciano's debt position had on toll's ability to raise capital to fund the buyout of Darwin Rail. They are no doubt linked.
I am not sure I ever mentioned "collusion", I have merely provided this forum with insight from the financial side (market rumours around the equity and debt players. To even suggest they are "arms length" would not be correct. They are closely linked and the market (at least at the analyst side) would accept that.
This has been an interesting discussion.
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Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:36 pm
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Well, no announcement today. What is odd is no one here in Darwin is answering the phone today either.
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Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:28 pm
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| vanessa wrote: | | They are closely linked and the market (at least at the analyst side) would accept that. |
What do you mean by closely linked...this is quite an ambiguous statement?
Some clarification please.
Bing
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Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:23 am
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Heard on monday that the announcement is probably another 2 weeks away......waiting, waiting, waiting
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Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:20 am
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20 bucks says it will go to G W A
i kno nothing
ike
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xr554
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Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:03 pm
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| ike1 wrote: | 20 bucks says it will go to G W A
i kno nothing
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I'd say the same thing, alone with few GWA drivers!
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:16 pm
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tick tock tick tock ..... another week passes by
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