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beastjim
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:35 pm
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Gday guys (and gals if we have any)
This question is sorta 2nd hand coming from a relative who lives in the Blue Mountains and has some knowledge about trians. Me being from Brisbane means I know squat about NSW trains.
He inquired to me about Pacific National changing their set up for running Coal Trains on the Western Line through the Blue Mountains. Apparently they have gone from Quad heading to triple heading and with new (actually maybe just different) wagons. So just some general information on what they are currently running would be much appreciated. He doesn't need to know times or anything just the general set ups. And if possible why the change.
Thanks in advance.
Cheers James
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4426_No_2_end
Chief Commissioner
Joined: Dec 18, 2007
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Location: UPSTAIRS FROM THE BLOKE BELOW
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Grantham
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Location: I'm with stupid!
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ShowMeTheMoney
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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 11:31 pm
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| Grantham wrote: | | Loco multiples are load related. The triple loco hauled trains are 3600 tons or less (1200t per loco due to the 1/40 grades) |
James, that is about it and the (1200T) grades mentioned are nowhere near the blue mountains, they are between Como and Sutherland. The Zig Zag area would be less per loco, but bank engine assistance is employed there. Going west, the trains are empty, so usually only 2 of the locos are actually running.
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FieldShunt74
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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 11:51 pm
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| ShowMeTheMoney wrote: | | James, that is about it and the (1200T) grades mentioned are nowhere near the blue mountains, they are between Como and Sutherland. The Zig Zag area would be less per loco, but bank engine assistance is employed there. |
Lithgow - Zig Zag is the same for load purpose as Georges River - Waterfall. What goes up one will go up the other, and bank engine working of coal trains up either would be very much the exception these days.
| ShowMeTheMoney wrote: | | Going west, the trains are empty, so usually only 2 of the locos are actually running. |
From what I've witnessed, they all seem to be running most of the time. Two L3/L4 locos on an empty rake of 45 NHSH or equivalents, plus two dead 132 tonne locos (plus 10% for being dead), would be getting close enough to the full load on the down between Valley Heights and Katoomba to annoy both the drivers and control. Three out of four locos powering would be a good compromise. I have a feeling, though, that most of the coal blokes are more interested in getting home than saving fuel for the company they love so dearly. If the coal blokes want to correct that assertion, please go right ahead.
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Grantham
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:36 am
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Each train leaves Inner Harbour with enough engines (usually) for the full load it will return with. No banking required anywhere. Normal practice is to leave one offline for the empty journey, but it's common enough to leave them all running and use less notches....it uses the same amount of fuel either way.
M
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rumbleman
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SmokeyDawson
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flying_donkey
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:11 pm
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| SmokeyDawson wrote: | Nor relief on arrival at PW or Kooragang either  |
...You just gotta know who to call and how much noise to make... 
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ShowMeTheMoney
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:14 pm
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| rumbleman wrote: | | Ahhhh not a hired loco in sight up here |
Are you saying that the PN Coal division don't rent PN Intermodal or PN Bulk Products locos occasionally?
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The_trolley
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rumbleman
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Grantham
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