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oldrailfan
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:32 pm
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How many S type loco like S-310 aka "44 class style" remain in Victorian use?
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rjcas
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:47 pm
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| oldrailfan wrote: | | How many S type loco like S-310 aka "44 class style" remain in Victorian use? |
First of all, the S's are more like the GM's or 42 or even the 421 class.
S300 is on SG with CFCLA
S301 is Stored with PN on BG in FA Green
S302 is pending Gauge Conversion at Seymour operated by El Zorro in V/Line Red and blue
S303 is out for sound proofing and in the Care of the SRHC
S304 is Scrapped
S305 is Scrapped
S306 is stored with PN at Newport on BG. It's in PN Blue and Yellow
S307 as per S306.
S308 is at Williamstown Museum. It was converted to SD308 after mods a fair while back at South Dynon as a demonstration loco, It's now Statically preserved.
S309 was Scrapped
S310 is Stored at South Dynon in V/Line orange and grey, not too sure what it's future is.
S311 is on BG with CFCLA still in service.
S312 is at Goulburn roundhouse painted black.
S313 is with Steamrail in Newport currently in a scheme for a movie.
S314 was Scrapped post Violet Town
S315 was Scrapped
S316 as per S314
S317 is with SSR on SG in NSW.
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:50 pm
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The VR S class is nothing like the 44 class, although they very vaguely resemble them.
The remaining fleet are:
S300: Owned by CFCLA. Standard gauge in NSW.
S301: PN. Stored at Newport.
S302: El Zorro. Currently at Seymour.
S303: SRHC. Preserved heritage unit. VR livery.
S306: PN. Stored at Newport.
S307: PN. Stored at Newport.
S308: ARHS-Vic. Static museum exhibit.
S310: PN. Stored at South Dynon.
S311: Owned by CFCLA. Currently in service on broad gauge.
S312: Railpower(?) Goulburn. Currently being re-activated.
S313: SRV. Preserved heritage unit.
S317: Owned by SSR. Standard gauge in NSW.
CFCLA = Chicago Freight Car Leasing Australia
PN = Pacific National
SRHC = Seymour Railway Heritage Centre
SRV = SteamRail Victoria
SSR = Southern Shorthaul Railroad
Hope this helps.
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thadocta
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:45 pm
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| TheRev wrote: | | The VR S class is nothing like the 44 class, although they very vaguely resemble them. |
Isn't that slightly oxymoronic? If they are nothing like them, how can they vaguely resemble them? If they vaguely resemble them, then they must be something like them.
[pedant mode off]
I know what you mean though, the S class and the 44 class are like chalk and cheese.
Dave
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:20 pm
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Glad you know what I mean (Valvolene...).
The S and 44 are mechanically very different. The S has a 2-stroke GM-EMD 567C engine, as opposed to the 44's 4-stroke ALCo rubbish.
The only resemblance the S has with the 44 is the nose; although the ALCo nose is significantly different to the smooth stylings of the EMD-GM nose.
Although it's a B, and not an S, the comparison is interesting.
Enjoy.
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:48 pm
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:49 pm
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I nominate Jezzbott's post for the "Most informative" award 
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Chris Brownbill
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:38 pm
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| TheRev wrote: | Glad you know what I mean (Valvolene...).
The S and 44 are mechanically very different. The S has a 2-stroke GM-EMD 567C engine, as opposed to the 44's 4-stroke ALCo rubbish.
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Yeah, that and whilst the carbody panels of the S are made of metal, the carbody panels of the 44 are made of WOOD.
I didn't believe it when I was first told, but I can assure you that if you get close enough to knock on the side of a 44 - you too will recognise the resonance of 3-ply.
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:02 pm
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G 530 at Traralgon in the 90s.
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*Best username incorporating a B class number between B 66 and B 68.
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:59 am
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Yeah, that and whilst the carbody panels of the S are made of metal, the carbody panels of the 44 are made of WOOD.
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I cannot speak for 44 Class but the side panels (surrounded by the bolted strips) of B and S Class are, in fact, plywood encased in aluminium sheet. Aluminaclad I think was the trade name. The equivalent panels on A Class locomotives are fibreglass.
TW
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:51 am
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| t_woodroffe wrote: | | Quote: |
Yeah, that and whilst the carbody panels of the S are made of metal, the carbody panels of the 44 are made of WOOD.
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I cannot speak for 44 Class but the side panels (surrounded by the bolted strips) of B and S Class are, in fact, plywood encased in aluminium sheet. Aluminaclad I think was the trade name. The equivalent panels on A Class locomotives are fibreglass.
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Thanks for that TW!
I think that "aluminium faced plywood" was used by EMD as well as Clyde for side panels in many of their carbody locomotives. I recall the name as "Aluclad" but that's just my memory of the name.
I think the later 44 class may have had fibreglass panels but I think the early versions had "aluminium faced plywood". Certainly the 80 class had fibreglass, since these were self coloured, and that was the reason that 8031-8050 were the same basic colour as 8001-8030, although the SRA corporate "Candy" scheme was in force by then.
The advantage of the plywood was that it had better sound and vibration absorbing qualities than simple steel or aluminium panels, as well as being relatively cheap.
Of course, these were intentionally removable and could be replaced, if damaged, in running sheds as well as in workshops, so panels from one locomotive could be used on another of the same class and the material might vary according to what was available for spares or replacements.
I understand that the G class had self coloured grey fibreglass panels when new.
I'm not sure that we have answered the initial question on this thread, since I'm not sure I understand it!
M636C
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:17 am
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Thanks M636C; "Aluclad" was the trade name I was trying to recall. The A and G Class carbody panels are fibreglass tinted grey but they were overpainted with the V/Line and successor liveries. The natural colour of the panels was not used as the external finish. As I recall there was some trouble getting fibreglass panels with the required fire retardancy.
TW
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