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VBAndy
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:47 pm
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Well using that logic, I give you an example.
K160 at the VGR ran its first train in 10 months yesterday. For the better part of those 10 months 160 was stored operational. By your ways of thinking the loco wasn't operational simply because the VGR were not hauling trains with it for that 10 months.
From what I've seen and heard...R711 has been in steam & used as yard pilot several times over the last year. Making it an operational locomotive The best description of R711 currently would be stored pending accreditation. To state its non-operational may give people the wrong idea.
Either way theres no chance of it hauling the tour in question, which sounds like it will be a great weekend.
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RailwayCop2004
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:02 am
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[quote="VBAndy"]From what I've seen and heard...R711 has been in steam & used as yard pilot several times over the last year. Making it an operational locomotive The best description of R711 currently would be stored pending accreditation. To state its non-operational may give people the wrong idea.quote]
To me, playing choo choo in a yard is misleading to be called operational.
I see what you are trying to get at, but disagree with your view.
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VRfan
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:52 am
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The loco is still operational, even if it is only moving up and down the yard. Unless I'm mistaken, it's just modern regulatory smeg that's preventing it from running on the mainline.
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jemo27
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 3:27 pm
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Steam is only going from Melbourne to Wycheproof, its diesel back, got a call from the organizers but it is still a chance to travel on part of the Kulwin line
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per1
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:11 pm
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Why couldnt they run the steam train back and forth from Bendigo. Melb passengers could catch the fast trains from Melb to Bendigo. There would be a lot of interest in Bendigo. It would be affordable. There would not be the need for an overnight train. You could do four or more trips. The Bendigo to Wycheproof line is an aesy uncongested run. This idea sounds brilliant. Do it this way next year.
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VBAndy
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:23 pm
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What the? A nice thought perhaps but unlikely. Theres only a turntable on the Bendigo end now, Wycheproof's table is out of service. Not much of a "quick trip" 4 times around when your going tender first in one direction.
Not to mention the added use of coal, water & crews. It would only work once, maybe twice...4 trips is excessive to say the least.
Put it back in the "That'd be nice" basket and leave it there 
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pheonics
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 2:25 pm
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| per1 wrote: | | Why couldnt they run the steam train back and forth from Bendigo. Melb passengers could catch the fast trains from Melb to Bendigo. There would be a lot of interest in Bendigo. It would be affordable. There would not be the need for an overnight train. You could do four or more trips. The Bendigo to Wycheproof line is an aesy uncongested run. This idea sounds brilliant. Do it this way next year. |
The problem is. The line between Inglewood & Bendigo/Eaglehawk is not operational for passenger trains, and has a massive speed restriction. So a passenger service between Wycheproof and Bendigo is not viable, Hence the traveling via Marybrough. Also Tender running is another issue for more than 50km in distance with a crew. It is more than 50km between Inglewood & Bendigo as n account of the Turntable at Wycheproof not being operational and in a very sad state. Literally unable to turn a loco almost.
Yes it would be a brilliant idea, but only if the money was there & the crew availabilities. I still think the R going up during the night will be great, which means it will go funnel first through the main street!. The reason (i believe, correct me if i am wrong) why it's a weekender trip is because of the festivals of the 125th celebration & also because the Charter had chartered it for that period of time. Plus, yes Bendigo is interesting, but its whats happening at Wycheproof that is the entire reason why the train is also going up there... 125th celebrations of the Line opening.
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VBAndy
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:40 pm
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| per1 wrote: | | HAS ANYONE SEEN HOW LONG ITS GOING TO TAKE. It could do Wyche to Bendigo in two hours. I dont care how romantic it seems. No one wants to be on it, for eleven hours. Why dont all you train dorks fix the Wyche turn table. |
Is school holidays over yet?
Its simple, if you don't like it...don't go on the tour. The whole point of the tour is to celebrate the 125th of the Wycheproof line, so its all based around Wycheproof. Shuttles to Bendigo are useless for such a celebration.
I think you'll find people do want to be on the trip for 11 hours...its a weekender so they know whats in store.
We didn't like your idea, also deal with it. Who are you to say no one wants to be on this tour? I didn't realise you can speak for the entire population of the country.
Such rude outbursts as your previous post are not welcome...remain civil or sod off...dork 
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TheRev
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:17 pm
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| per1 wrote: | | HAS ANYONE SEEN HOW LONG ITS GOING TO TAKE. |
About as long as it'll take you to comprehend why the alphabet exists.
| per1 wrote: | | It could do Wyche to Bendigo in two hours. |
Really? Prove it.
| per1 wrote: | | I dont care how romantic it seems. No one wants to be on it, for eleven hours. |
Tell that to those who have booked to ride on it. With Mildura tours people are on the train for 11 hours, and don't cause a fuss. Where's the problem?
| per1 wrote: | | Why dont all you train dorks fix the Wyche turn table. |
Lead the way and we'll follow.
A bus is a glorified toaster on wheels.
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TheRev
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:47 pm
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| per1 wrote: | | There basically giving away tickets now. Two for one. Because it is too long, too expensive,unconfortable and the steam is going one way only. If you going to do something; do it wright. |
Like spelling and punctuation?
Also, how do you know these are the reasons for the 2 for 1 deal? has the tour organiser or Steamrail specifically said this? If they haven't, maybe you should stop making comments such as this. You have no proof but your own word - which isn't all that much, I am afraid.
A bus is a glorified toaster on wheels.
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Deep Throat
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:34 pm
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| per1 wrote: | | There basically giving away tickets now. Two for one. Because it is too long, too expensive,unconfortable and the steam is going one way only. If you going to do something; do it wright. |
Well - rather than calling people train dorks and making suggestions from an armchair, send off an email to volunteer@steamrail.com.au, and offer your services assisting the tour planning side of things.
Until then, your arguments - or random dribblings masquerading as arguments - remain the invalid whinings of the insignificant.
Anonymous - and proud of it.
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VBAndy
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:14 pm
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| per1 wrote: | | I just have. Ring the Wycheproof Post Office. They are giving away the tickets. |
Thats called good publicity, if the group/s involved can afford this method then whats the problem?
| per1 wrote: | | Who wants to sit on a train for eleven hours? |
I don't mind it, the people that are going on the weekender don't mind it, thousands of people that travel on tours every year don't mind it. I can go on if you wish?
| per1 wrote: | | Plus the steam is going only one way. |
Operational restrictions, thats the enviroment groups operate in now days...deal with it. Would you prefer it if the steam didn't go at all?
| per1 wrote: | | it would work though, if all you dorks went up and fixed the turntable. And run the train in and out of Bendigo. |
You funding the repairs to the turntable? Supplying the equipment? Paying for us to get the necessary certificates and qualifications to legally carry out the work? We can't just say "Stuff it, that table needs a fixin' so we's should grab a slab and head down."
Once again, Bendigo is irrelevant to the celebrations...not to mention shuttles that you suggest are way too long to be shuttles. Not to mention the added costs.
So once again you dork, I suggest ya sod off.
*Mumbles something about shoving a flare up someones clacker*
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KRviator
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:30 am
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What is it with you Southerners and Skool Holidays? Seems everytime I turn around there's sometink nedding cleaning in the Melbourne or Victorian threads... OMGORZO@!
Thread cleaned, some posts removed, others edited, some warnings issued.
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pheonics
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:15 am
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| per1 wrote: | | There basically giving away tickets now. Two for one. Because it is too long, too expensive,unconfortable and the steam is going one way only. If you going to do something; do it wright. |
per1 - I'm not having a go at you, but i hope you are making that 'do it right' statement on the basis of knowing how to organise & operate a heritage train under strict & changing circimstances.... ? if you look at the brochure on the Steamrail website, it does say that the local government has given an amount of financial support to cover the trip. So with the idea if they are 'giving away' tickets, the trip has already been paid for, so i don't see an issue with giving as much publicity as they can get, even if it means the event of giving away some freebies. - too long? Say that to people who went over to Adealide on the sleeping train in 1994 behind R761 (even though its like trying to compare a 1.5km super freight with a Narrow Gauge PBR Mixed train).
Also the D3 to Mildura & Yelta many years back. They paid & they new it would be a long trip, but you also have to look at the festivities. It's not like there is nothing to do there, You sleep on the train on the way to Wycheproof, then you have the entire day on saturday to wonder around and look at the activities, festivities & steam shuttles. Another night's sleep and you travel on the train on the way home, Sure it's a Diesel, So? it's a Heritage trip & people won't mind if it's not a steamer on the way back because they would have purchased a ticket to ride behind a steam & diesel locomotive.
Expensive? Your getting 3 days full of heritage steam/diesel action for approx $400, which includes sleeping accomodation, meals (i think) & an on train experience, it's not often you are taken to centeral victoria during the night behind a steam locomotive!, Uncomfortable? I think not, the beds in the sleeping cars are quite comfortable. Plus you have an X Southern Auroa car, so that is quite comfortable. The Steam going one way issue, is yeah, unfortaunte, as it was said when the Double R's went there in 2003, the table didn't look to stable turning 707 & 761. It is a shame about it being out of action & it is also a big shame that the line between Bendigo at Inglewood (en route to Wycheproof) is restricted to low speed running & for Freight / transfurs only as it is not an authorised V/Line passenger line.
Please don't assume no one will want to go on it. As we have all seen, there have been operational issues with this tour that have restricted the loco's running the tour to its full extent. I would rather the Steamer go up on the Friday night & arrive in Wycheproof for the festivals & the bike race in the morning, than have it steaming when you get there and having to race a diesel. It's better to have the steamer there one way, then not at all.
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:28 am
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Totally agree there pheonics. Your 100% right. And i'm sure if the train was going to run at a loss it wouldn't run at all. I'm driving up on Sat for 4-5 hours to ride 1 shuttle just to show my support for this hard working lot. Who have battled against all odds to get Steam up there
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