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ar31
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:01 pm
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http://www.thedaily.com.au/news/2008/sep/30/extra-train-wont-help-coast-commuters/
| Quote: | Extra train won't help Coast commuters
3:11p.m. 30th September 2008 | By Kerryn Manifold
An extra early bird train service running between Caboolture and Brisbane Central stations will still leave Sunshine Coast commuters packed like sardines, according to a lobbyist.
Sunshine Coast Commuters association chair Terry Cullen has said the premier’s announcement of an extra three-carriage train which would depart Caboolture at 5.30am and have a capacity to carry more than 500 passengers would do nothing to benefit local commuters.
Mr Cullen said the bulk of problems arose because people living near Northgate and Petrie were tempted to use Sunshine Coast services.
Those services only stop at Northgate and Petrie during the journey from Caboolture to Brisbane which cuts travel time.
Mr Cullen said the only thing that could make life easier for Coast passengers would be to stop people boarding the train at Petrie and Northgate by altering the timetable so trains did not stop there.
“The reason people get on Sunshine Coast trains is because it’s an express service,” Mr Cullen said.
“This is just another train that goes to Brisbane.
“We need a train to go express form Caboolture to Brisbane and we need an identical level of service to that of the Gold Coast.”
Mr Cullen said half-hourly express services during peak times that did not stop at Petrie or Northgate would reduce the load on Coast services.
Premier Anna Bligh said the new service would add capacity to the Caboolture line.
“We all need to change our behaviour to bust congestion,” Ms Bligh said.
“That’s why I want services like this to give people the opportunity to change their own routines.
“Using these services, people have the opportunity to come to work early and leave early, missing peak times.”
Ms Bligh said if the services were successful, the government would consider similar services on other lines.
In 2009, the government also plans to introduce more improvements for South East Queensland which could include the Sunshine Coast. |
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ar31
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:03 pm
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In reply to the article, I think its a bit deceptive, considering Petrie is not on the coast. But Caboolture at times is "considered as the southern part of the Sunshine Coast" whilst at the same time a "satellite of Brisbane".
I do support the comments that ALL peak services (as only selected services like #T908 and #X403 dont stop at Petrie and Northgate) departing to/from Nambour and North Coast should not be stopping at Petrie and Northgate.
But the same could be extended to the outer suburban service of Rosewood, which has "all-stations" services in peak, and Ipswich-Rosewood shuttles at off-peak/weekends.
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bunza
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:14 pm
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| ar31 wrote: | | In reply to the article, I think its a bit deceptive, considering Petrie is not on the coast. But Caboolture at times is "considered as the southern part of the Sunshine Coast" whilst at the same time a "satellite of Brisbane". |
I thought it was more like Beenleigh... a place noone wants to claim!
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beauyboy
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Gwiwer
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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 9:59 am
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Trains from the Sunshine Coast stop at Petrie and Northgate to set down passengers just as much as to pick up. Even making the stops set-down only (or pick-up only in the evening) will not remove the need for them to stop there and the ability for local passengers to simply hop on.
It could take a number of platform staff on duty to even attempt to prevent boarding of a set-down only service.
Similar patterns exist on parts of the Melbourne network. On my own Frankston line the peak expresses are packed as they offer a journey time of around the even hour against 75 minutes or so for the all-stations service. Some all-stations trains used to run only to Mordialloc but have recently been extended to Frankston. It has taken a few months but a fair number of passengers has shifted to the slower trains, trading journey time against a more comfortable journey.
The same could potentially happen with an extra service and the existing slower trains at Petrie. With an operator hard-pressed to find resources and train paths at peak times any slight improvement should at least be given a chance. If it works great; if not it can always be undone later and return to the status quo. In my experience almost all improvements are retained in the system.
Why MYKI? It isn't mine and it's not a key.
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blake_brisbane
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:18 pm
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How about instead of not stopping the trains at Petrie and Northgate, just run more express services to / from these stations, maybe starting at Caboolture.
And the Gold Coast trains also stop at non - Gold Coast stations.
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Somebody in the WWW
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:26 pm
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The entire point of stopping Nambour trains at these stations would be to provide interchange with other rail services (or to major destinations), not to provide them with express trains to the CBD.
Petrie - interchange with all stations services in peak? I don't know the area well enough to know if there are any significant destinations here.
Northgate - interchange with Shorncliffe Line and also for the Airport & Doomben if you catch another train to Eagle Junction.
Are the passengers boarding at suburban locations in the morning really that much of an issue? I would imagine that pax from beyond Cab would already have their seats, unlike in the evening where you could have a Nambour passenger standing to Petrie due to suburban passengers taking up seats.
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simonl
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Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:26 am
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| blake_brisbane wrote: | How about instead of not stopping the trains at Petrie and Northgate, just run more express services to / from these stations, maybe starting at Caboolture.
And the Gold Coast trains also stop at non - Gold Coast stations. |
Hear here!! That's what's a bit brain damaged about CityTrain. There's just not enough express services in the peak, except for on the Gold Coast line.
Mr Cullen's attitude is to reduce other's access to public transport, not really to improve the Sunshine Coast's access.
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SM247
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:34 am
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I can't see the problem with eliminating stops at Northgate and Petrie in the peak. There is no distinction between Nambour and Robina services in that respect - nobody would ever suggest GC trains pick up and set down at Loganlea or Coopers Plains in the peak just for the sake of the few people who need access to intermediate stops. Change at Caboolture or BH if required.
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siding
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:21 pm
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In Sydney you can be fined for boarding or disembarking from a set down or pick up train. Some stops on certain Blue Mountains and Newcastle are for pick or set down only not a Petrie or Beenleigh express to or from the city. There were complaints in the media around a year ago of passengers being fined on the Lithgow train.
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RTT_Rules
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:23 am
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| siding wrote: | | In Sydney you can be fined for boarding or disembarking from a set down or pick up train. Some stops on certain Blue Mountains and Newcastle are for pick or set down only not a Petrie or Beenleigh express to or from the city. There were complaints in the media around a year ago of passengers being fined on the Lithgow train. |
As an ex CC commuter from the 80's, I was just trying to remember if we had pickup and set down only, never knew what the consequences were if you broke the rules as it never entered my mind, even as a teenager. There were also lots of other rules with certain suburban stations too small for the 8 and 10 car interurban sets, very short platforms in the interurban areas. Basically a few things that Cityrail has done for decades that often get shot down in flames if suggested for Citytrain.
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awsgc24
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:14 pm
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The pick-up/set down restrictions sound like those in Sydney, where passengers holding tickets from say Sydney-Hurstville "cannot see why" they should be prohibited from using trains that stop at Sydney and Hurstville.
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simonl
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 2:36 pm
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Grrr. Why do those pick up/set down restrictions still apply!!? The authorities should be shot for not abolishing them.
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