Lets see if you know your tracks!! What station is that???

MOM · Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:31 am

I admit I don't have the knowledge for this wonderful question.
It also appears that most other contributors to this thread haven't either.

Again, a brute guess Donald. whether it ever had the requirements to fit I have no idea or anyway of researching. Not wanting to appear like a "spoil sport", but would it be possible to put this one into "obeyence" until John (Dutton Bay) returns?

I'm sure he would love to pull his hair out.

Otherwise, we can all continue to make wild guess's, till one of us guess it for all the wrong reasons.

RoderickSmith · Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:06 am

I had thought of putting it on hold.
Even as I was making this morning's cup of tea, I skimmed through the list of turntables in the n&m timetable region (from memory, not from consultation):
Clearly not anywhere Melbourne - Bendigo, and not a junction.
A: possible, but AFAIK only ever a short turntable or none in any era.
B: possible
C: possible
D: possible, and in the style of other entries.
E: possible
F: possible (and correct)
G: possible, but knocked by only ever having a short turntable.
H: possible
I: too large a yard, and the turntable faced the wrong way.
J, K & L: terminuses in all eras.

I can offer a clue today, then if it hasn't gone by Monday, put it on hold and pass the staff to the most persistent entrant. I will be on the Wycheproof tour all weekend, and it won't be back until late evening on Sunday.

The quiz station survives today, undoubtedly with an altered layout.

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MOM · Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:26 am

No... don't pass the staff. (IMO)

You've got all weekend to craft another fiendish question.

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vlinespeed · Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 5:17 pm

Wallan?

BH160159 · Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:24 pm

WSITD Numurkah ?

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RoderickSmith · Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:33 pm

Not Wallan or Numurkah: I have given the clue that the station was/is in the northern & midland red wtt zone (ie everything accessible from the Bendigo line, and from the Ballarat - Mildura line).

The problem of placing this one on hold is that I have to scan a replacement, and I had no time today.

The other two, sketched at the same meeting, are even harder to identify.

I have found one, but it is in a format which is hard to place on the scanner. I'll try to get it up tomorrow, and save the current one for a future occasion when it is my turn again.

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mortrail · Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:51 pm

ultima ??

RoderickSmith · Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:21 pm

Finally we bring this tricky one to an end with Ultima.

Staff to 'mortrail' without having to place the scan on hold and find a substitute.

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Ballast_Plough · Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:56 pm

Is the station before Ultima called Penultima?

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RoderickSmith · Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:03 am

There is a distinct chance that the station was not Ultima. Could we all place the next round on hold until perhaps Friday if needed?
Meanwhile: any scraps of plans or photos, please email to me at
rodsmith @ werple.net.au
I did not sketch the layout as at Sept.71, when I was aboard an ARHS Robinvale tour. The photos don't resolve the issue. But one hints at a railmotor dock platform at the down end of the main platform.
I do not have the books of Langford sketches from the 1950s.

I did mention discrepancies between the diagram and the weekly notice extracts: rail motor dock, and coal stage track.

There is a chance that the diagram which I copied was mislabelled at the time. I was copying from on-screen diagrams, illustrating a talk about locking (staff locks, annett locks, plunger locks), given by a VR signalling engineer. This was a late 1969 talk, and I believe that all of the diagrams were contemporary. I used the Balranald one in an earlier quiz.

Wednesday update: I have e-mailed the diagram to two non RATM adjudicators. It is important to have a correct identification, not so much for the right person to be the next quizmaster, but so we all learn correct information and do not create or propagate a myth.

Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor

RoderickSmith · Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:44 am

I have been sent two older diagrams which support Hopetoun over Ultima.
One adjudicator believes (but can't prove) Hopetoun over Ultima.
The other adjudicator has sent a diagram which supports Ultima over Hopetoun, and has promised definitive evidence on Friday.

It does seem that all other possibilities have been eliminated: it has to be one of the two.

This is the ideal time to use the Monty Python solution, and pass the staff to the girl with the biggest tits, but there is no claimant.

Await a verdict on Friday.

Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor

RoderickSmith · Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:49 am

It really was Ultima; the VR engineer was correct in his 1969 presentation.

The definitive evidence arrived today, from the president of Signalling Record Society (Victoria): Ultima is the answer, as Hopetoun had only three tracks, no matter what else seemed to fit.

He also supplied a lot of diagrams, and the 1959 one matches my sketch well.

I thank an entrant who wouldn't win either way, but who put time in to research and to finding relevant diagrams.

This is the ultimate post in this quiz question; the staff really does go to 'mortrail' now.

Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor

mortrail · Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:42 pm

oops should check the page more often

Am currently in Mildura area for the week and all the diagrasm are at home

Will try to get one up on Friday

Unless someone else wants to have a go

Mortrail

MOM · Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:06 pm

I'm happy to wait for a fiendishly clever diagram that will make Roderick's last sketch look like a walk in the park!......
you earned it Mortrail, we all await your station with great interest.

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mortrail · Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:10 pm

better late than never, had to wait for the kids to be home at the same time to up load the diagram for me !

Mortrail