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oldrailfan
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Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:34 pm
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What are the update on the site at Clyde?? and the project overall.
They are as i understand going to be a improved version one assumes of the Milbug...???
Where do they intend to operate these to at the limits of the network?
Could there ever be a photo shoot for enthusiasts with all 6 generations of electric trains one day - Red Rattlers thu to A sets somewhere?
How are these trains going to be improvement on the exisiting Milbugs?
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tsgsjm
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Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:18 pm
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They would want to be a big bloody improvement over the Mills.
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Jahommed
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 7:43 am
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I was talking to a guard the other day..
he thinks that the trains will cause many problems
Like for example if an elderly person is standing at the middle of the platform and needs some help(like she doesnt know wat train to catch) he would have to walk from the back all the way to middle and back again.
Also at curved platforms even with cameras installed they cant pick up shadows and other lighting problems at dark stations e.g. Hurstville.
Tangara G sets are the best trains on the cityrail network.
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:06 am
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The PPP cars are to be 8car sets not 4car sets as with previous sets.
PPP stands for Public Private Partnership.
These cars are a completely new design and not just an improvement of the Mbugs, so this would imagine that it would create a mix of problems as all new trains have problems to start with.
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minifhncc
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:13 pm
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What is the logic behind making it a non-divisible anyway? Wont it be a pain to remarshall if something goes wrong with, say one of the inner noncontrol motor cars, and it needs to be swapped? (assuming that they'll use the similar setup with T's and M's with motor cars in middle)
Wasn't there something about making a cab in the middle?
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arctic
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 4:41 pm
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There was going to be a guards cab in the middle. But to reduce costs the option which looks like it has been adopted was to put the guard in the other drivers cab.
This makes the two middle cars (non driving trailers) the same I think, so there are only three car types in the train: Driving Trailers (2), Motors (4) and Non Driving Trailers (2).
Cabs cost a huge amount of money and they weighed up the savings vs the costs (over quite a period IIRC) and went with the 8-car set, driver one end and gaurd the other.
They do have their structural roots in an updated Millennium design, which has been beefed up for the higher spec crashworthiness. This amused EDI's traction partner (Hitachi) when they saw this and said the Japanese just avoid crashing their trains.....
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alltrainzfan
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 4:44 pm
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I suppose they might design the middle cars so that if they ever want to make them driver cars, they can simply remove the front sections and install a new cab. Sounds logical, but I think Railcorp insisted that they were 8 car services. And let's face it...all trains running nowdays are around 8 cars on the suburban network? (with the exception of a few 6 car sets). I think 4 car suburban services are a rarity now except the Carlingford Line.
There was a media launch of the new cars a few months ago with an interior mockup. Frankly, in my opinion, while they may boast new features, the interior looks a lot like an M (except for the vestibule area).
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Crazy-D
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 5:19 pm
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| alltrainzfan wrote: | | I think 4 car suburban services are a rarity now except the Carlingford Line. |
Also the almost non-existant Cumberland Line.
If I do guess right, and I don't reply within 6 hours you can assume "open floor."
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Rogaco
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 5:45 pm
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| Crazy-D wrote: | | alltrainzfan wrote: | | I think 4 car suburban services are a rarity now except the Carlingford Line. |
Also the almost non-existant Cumberland Line. |
Why doesn't the Cumberland line use an M-set? Don't the trains come from Flemington for these services? I use the Cumberland a couple of times a week in the arvo peak and it gets really packed once it reaches Parramatta.
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awsgc24
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 6:07 pm
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| minifhncc wrote: | What is the logic behind making it a non-divisible anyway? Wont it be a pain to remarshall if something goes wrong with, say one of the inner noncontrol motor cars, and it needs to be swapped? (assuming that they'll use the similar setup with T's and M's with motor cars in middle)
Wasn't there something about making a cab in the middle? |
The inner ends of each 4 cars will probably have miniature controls so that the 4 car halves can be shunted with ease.
This is like the BT cars on Victoria's 4+3 divisions, the B standing IIRC for brake.
The single ended CL, S and 42 also had IIRC somekind of "hosler" control to allow for shunting in the reverse direction.
The main thing with cars 4 and 5 on the A-sets is not to have a cabin that goes from one side to the other thus blocking the flow of passengers from one end of the train to another. Given that the cars are 3000mm wide, you might have a 1000mm wide guards cabin in cars 4 and 5, leaving 2000mm (less width of walls) for passenger flow, albeit with a dogleg, and albeit with the guard and passengers mixing while the guard changes sides as the platform changes sides.
The free flow of passengers from car 1 to car 8 is also needed to cope with emergencies in tunnels, where there isn't enough space for passengers along the sides of the trains.
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 6:36 pm
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| awsgc24 wrote: | | minifhncc wrote: | What is the logic behind making it a non-divisible anyway? Wont it be a pain to remarshall if something goes wrong with, say one of the inner noncontrol motor cars, and it needs to be swapped? (assuming that they'll use the similar setup with T's and M's with motor cars in middle)
Wasn't there something about making a cab in the middle? |
The main thing with cars 4 and 5 on the A-sets is not to have a cabin that goes from one side to the other thus blocking the flow of passengers from one end of the train to another. Given that the cars are 3000mm wide, you might have a 1000mm wide guards cabin in cars 4 and 5, leaving 2000mm (less width of walls) for passenger flow, albeit with a dogleg, and albeit with the guard and passengers mixing while the guard changes sides as the platform changes sides.
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BTW, the original 1926 single-deck "Standard" Trailer car had a guards area that was not fully separated from the passenger area, and passengers could walk from car to car, while the guard walked from side to side to suit the platforms being on that side.
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jmw2508
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:24 pm
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Does anyone know what lines these new trains will run on?
The Eastern Suburbs and Illawarra line???
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arctic
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:40 pm
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Since they will be more than half the fleet (626 cars) I would say they will run just about everywhere ...eventually. Dont know where they will start though.
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:55 pm
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The PPP cars are to replace the R & S set carriages so will run everywhere they currently operate.
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