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route14
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:13 pm
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| Gwiwer wrote: | With Melbourne trams it could be done through the PM system with an electronic link to the destination memory. The TDKP should always know where the tram is and should be able to have the software encoded to reset displays to "via Clifton Hill", "via Monash University" etc. as the tram progresses towards Bundoora.
The problem lies in how much memory is available.
Better still the recent scrolling displays can be programmed to show a full height route number with an ultimate desitnation continuously displayed as an upper line of text and scrolling "via" points below. Those should be more easily programmed to "wipe" the points which the tram has already passed.
So a tram in Bourke Street might show "86 Bundoora RMIT" with "via Smith St, Clifton Hill, Preston, Monash Uni" all scrolling through on the lower line but only the latter two, for example, would still show once the tram passes Clifton Hill.
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Has LaTrobe University changed names?
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:15 pm
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That pic is in the Bourke St Mall, and D2's were used on the 86 as far as Nicholson/Victoria (where they run on the 96 anyway) due to a disruption, as mentioned above, with buses connecting from there to Clifton Hill, where B2's took over. D2.5010 was another unit working the city section of the 86.
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route14
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:51 pm
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So they no longer divert route 86 via St. Georges Rd. in case of a service disruption between Victoria Pde. and Northcote?
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Gwiwer
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:08 pm
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THey may do as an emergency measure for an unplanned blockage but on this occasion it was for planned track works known about months ahead.
The logic is sound; operate in two sections based upon the depots at either end servicing their respective portion of the route.
And my apologies for having become confused as to which university was served by the 86 
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:34 pm
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 Yeah it was the weekend they were replaced at parliament....
As for a photoshop job.... Offended
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route14
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:44 pm
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| Gwiwer wrote: | THey may do as an emergency measure for an unplanned blockage but on this occasion it was for planned track works known about months ahead.
The logic is sound; operate in two sections based upon the depots at either end servicing their respective portion of the route.
And my apologies for having become confused as to which university was served by the 86 |
but they used to divert route 86 on planned blockage as well, in which way through passengers are least impacted. It is actually faster than the normal route if no one asks the driver funny questions.
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mercedes143
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:45 pm
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I seem to recall a D2 running a 86 to Bundoora earlier this year or during last year for some reason. Possibly after a footy match
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:53 pm
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| route14 wrote: | | Gwiwer wrote: | THey may do as an emergency measure for an unplanned blockage but on this occasion it was for planned track works known about months ahead.
The logic is sound; operate in two sections based upon the depots at either end servicing their respective portion of the route.
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but they used to divert route 86 on planned blockage as well, in which way through passengers are least impacted. It is actually faster than the normal route if no one asks the driver funny questions. |
With bus replacement from Vic / Nic to Clifton Hill (both stops where there is fairly respectable space for safe interchange and bus turning) there would be the shortest possible replacement of service.
Diverting the 86 over the hump to St Georges Road would mean having to replace it all the way to Preston (probably at the depot) which, with through trams as well, effectively duplicates the service and certainly doubles the costs.
Northcote shunt was removed IIRC (but I am prepared to be corrected) when the track was relaid some years back so there is nowhere for trams to shunt for a considerable distance along that stretch these days. I have heard drivers express their opinion that its situation close to two bends (the Northcote "kink") in a very busy road made it a dangerous place to shunt in recent times anyway.
At least running the 86 via St Georges Road would require less shunting than the reverse when the 112 occasionally diverts onto Smith Street. That requires shunts at Thornbury, Preston, Vic / Nic and St Vincents to regain line of route!
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route14
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:15 pm
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The "Northcote" shunt that you referred to is actually "Northcote-Beavers Rd.", shown on TDKP as "BEAVERS/HI". The real but out-dated "Northcote" is at Dundas St., shown on TDKP as "N.COTE".
Route 112 diversion doesn't require shunting at Thornbury because it's a triangular intersection. It needs to shunt at "Northcote", Albert St. (the crossover at VICT/NICHO has been relocated to the east side of the intersection), Brunswick St. siding, then resume normal route, but fleet would probably want it to continue via Bourke St. instead to minimize delay.
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Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:13 pm
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Spotted D.5012 out doing 'driver training' on Royal Parade today just before noon as walking down to uni. Turned quite a few peoples heads - I think even the non-tram enthusiast knows its unusual to spot anything apart from a grey or white B2 running up and down the Parade.
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:46 pm
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There has been quite abit of driver training around Docklands lately. Have YT been on a recruitment binge lately?
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route14
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:05 pm
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It is a union requirement that a driver must be accompanied by a trainer if he/she is visiting a section of track for the first time. So with some route alterations in that area, it can be expected that even qualified tram drivers are taken there for training.
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:56 am
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| Quote: | | Has LaTrobe University changed names? |
RMIT and LaTrobe Universities are situated along Route 86. It terminates at RMIT Bundoora (near enough anyway) - hence the route name.
I have witnessed D2 runnings on the 86.
| mercedes184 wrote: | | I seem to recall a D2 running a 86 to Bundoora earlier this year or during last year for some reason. Possibly after a footy match |
I'm guessing that D2 runnings that occur coincide with peak crowds for matches at Telstra Dome, which would make sense. It is not a rarity.
Most likely on weekends, when the 96 has a surplus of low-floor trams, then could the D2's be situated on the 86. (Wait, surplus of low-floor trams on weekends on the 96?!)
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:07 am
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The D2 class is allocated to Southbank and not to East Preston. Southbank do not work any tables on the 86 which is entirely serviced by East Preston.
Given that East Preston drivers are not trained on the D2 class this would mean that any loan of a tram from Southbank for the 86 would be an earlier class (probably a B2) which Preston drivers are qualified on, or else would require a qualified Southbank driver with a route pilot if requested.
Any D2 working on the 86 will either be a special such as a footy extra run out of Southbank or account unusual circumstances such as the bisection of the route during trackworks which was discussed above.
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 3:00 pm
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As I was driving along Plenty Rd today at around 2:00pm, I noticed a C class at the cnr of Plenty Rd and Dundas St, Preston. The display said Not taking passengers and I am assuming that it was for a 'driver under instruction' as there were two in the drivers cab.
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