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Gwiwer
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 3:22 pm
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More likely a workshop transfer where you saw it.
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route14
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 3:59 pm
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Driver under construction?
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Polar Tiger
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:26 pm
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There were 3 Citadis trams from Kew all doing driver training along the route 86/112 today, numbers were 3008, 3010 and 3032.
I think at least one made it all the way to Bundoora terminus.
Workshops transfers usually run via Brunswick St i.e. route 112.
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Gwiwer
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:21 pm
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Fair comment. Preston drivers are among the last from the "original" YT depots to receive Citadis training. It's about time.
Or are Kew / Southbank drivers receiving route familiarisation to Bundoora?
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Polar Tiger
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:41 pm
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Neither, it was Kew based trainee drivers learning how to drive Citadis trams.
I guess they chose the Bundoora line because of it's length, also ties in nicely with a workshops visit.
| Gwiwer wrote: | Fair comment. Preston drivers are among the last from the "original" YT depots to receive Citadis training. It's about time.
Or are Kew / Southbank drivers receiving route familiarisation to Bundoora? |
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route14
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:14 am
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These days driver training seems to take place more likely on routes other than those that the base depots operate, probably the trainers also take a chance to have a "free tour".
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Nexas
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:12 pm
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| Gwiwer wrote: | | route14 wrote: | | A PSed version? These days the technicians won't put "street" in full word into the destination. |
I would expect to see "via Smith St" and not "v. Smith Street".
There have been no recorded runs of a D2 on the 86 to date. No Preston staff are trained on them (unless they have recently transferred from Southbank or Malvern) and Southbank staff may not be familiar with the route and would be required to request assistance. |
At the date you had posted, there had already been one or two in service trips of D2s running the whole length of the route to Bundoora (Southbank drivers), as well as the since mentioned trackwork (where the photo came from)
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 7:08 pm
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I would have thought that route 19 should be serviced by D2 trams. At least 5 need to go to Brunswick. Have you seen the crowds on route 19 B2 during peak. And to think that during the grand prix and ex Melbourne 2006 Commomwealth Games 19 had Z3s on it!!!!!!!!!
I don't understand why there are Cs on route 31 and 43. 31 just goes from City West end to Vic Pde / Hoddle St and 43 just goes to St Vincents plaza. Maybe these routes ought to get a few A's from Kew, making additional services on route 109 that are usually operated by A's. I see at least 3 A's on route 109 when I am in the city. Caught one the other time on school holidays myself. Was rather packed. Had to stand all the way from St Vinnies Plaza to Spencer Street.
Routes 86 and 59 are also low floor contenders. Crearing more B2s on 112 and 55.
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 7:43 pm
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Why do trams say via Smith St when they can't go any other way...
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Gwiwer
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 7:52 pm
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| Robbb01 wrote: | | Why do trams say via Smith St when they can't go any other way... |
They can go another way.
Although not normal they can go via Brunswick Street / St. George's Road and the hump.
"via Smith Street" is just as valid as a via point as would be a bus displaying "216 Caroline Springs via Ballarat Road". It helps to identify the route the vehicle will take.
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I would have thought that route 19 should be serviced by D2 trams. At least 5 need to go to Brunswick. Have you seen the crowds on route 19 B2 during peak. |
Brunswick would then need to stockl an entire new cache of spares and parts for just five trams. All the drives and depot staff would have to receive full training just for five trams. And the Siemens staff who are cntracted to look after them would have to attend a third location. Malvern depot is the only one with dedicated, purpose built, Combino facilities. Far better to run as many trips as possible with B2's which carry almost as many passengers as a D2.
| Quote: | | And to think that during the grand prix and ex Melbourne 2006 Commomwealth Games 19 had Z3s on it!!!!!!!!! |
All routes had unusual allocations during these times. It is simply a case of where the need is greatest. It is also only for a few days and fewer still if you remember that most of the extreme loadings on nomal routes occur on weekday peaks.
| Quote: | | I don't understand why there are Cs on route 31 and 43. 31 just goes from City West end to Vic Pde / Hoddle St and 43 just goes to St Vincents plaza. |
Simply because they are worked as a part of the 109 roster with trams otherwise spare mid-day. The 31 / 43 do not run at peak times when those trams are required for full 109 runs.
| Quote: | | Maybe these routes ought to get a few A's from Kew, making additional services on route 109 that are usually operated by A's. I see at least 3 A's on route 109 when I am in the city. |
There are some rostered A-class trips which should only be balance workings of peak trips between Box Hill and Collins Street West End. The full 109 service should be all C1 class. It isn't always either because of rolling stock shortage or occasional last-minute operational needs. For the same reasons you see C1 trams on the 48 at times when they should be on the 109.
| Quote: | | Caught one the other time on school holidays myself. Was rather packed. Had to stand all the way from St Vinnies Plaza to Spencer Street. |
Awwww ... I weep for you. Not. The tram network is extremely busy during most times of the working day and often at weekends also. Having to stand only a short distance is normal. You might have a valid complaint if you have to stand for 30 - 60 minutes in each peak every day. And I am making an assumption here that you are among the majority of our population who are physically able to stand for that distance without discomfort. If not then ask for one of the priority seats to be vacated for you.
| Quote: | | Routes 86 and 59 are also low floor contenders. Crearing more B2s on 112 and 55. |
All routes are "low floor contenders". The tram fleet must be fully low floor within 12 years to comply with current legislation. The B2's will be redistributed once the next new delivery takes place. By that time they will be almost the oldest trams in the fleet after the slightly older A classes and any remaining W-class on normal services.
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:35 pm
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Mind you route 31 is for Collins St. Extn. -- City-Brunswick St. and route 43 as a uni-directional route City to East Melbourne-Hoddle St.
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:14 pm
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| connexwest wrote: | | it's only worth doing if (and I stress the word if) the passengers bother to read the destinations. |
They don't because they are often set wrong. That is why people often are "just checking". I do it too; "Are you really a 59, just making sure?"
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:29 pm
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No Idea why, but on Monday, a Brunswick B2 2078 arrived with the destination Airport West 59, before changing it to North Coburg.
Also noted that Z3 207 or something arrived at the same place with all destinations set to West Maribyrnong 57 except the sides which said Domain Interchange 55.
When the A class weere being fitted with Southport Dot Matrix, route 112 seemed to be deiplayed as St Kilda - Fitoy Street instaed of Fitzroy Street A1 237 did that a lot.
Great to see the D2s running to Flemington. My question is that why were there no C class trams venturing down there?
Oh and I saw the new platform stops on Flemington Road. They are looking Great!
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Gwiwer
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:15 pm
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Citadis trams are not authorised for operation on that route
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Polar Tiger
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:22 pm
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I think they are authorised, during last years spring racing carnival a southbank C ventured out to Flemington on Oaks Day.
| Gwiwer wrote: | | Citadis trams are not authorised for operation on that route |
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