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Things that can help you to become a driver - Vic Passenger

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vlocity160 V/Gunzel   Joined: May 03, 2006
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Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:26 pm
G'day all,

Currently I am in year 10 going into year 11 for the year 2009. I have been told that I need the the following to even be considered for a drivers position nower days:

    Pass in year 12
    Pass in year 12 maths
    Pass in year 12 english


I would like to know what else could I get that could possibly better my chances of being employed by a railway company such as Connex(As V/Line don't do traineeships Sad ). Should I do a rail safety/safeworking courses, first aid courses etc?


Also is doing something like this a beneficiary?

Many thanks for the assistance! Smile



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Matt
 
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SteamtoStay Chief Commissioner   Joined: Sep 02, 2005
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Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 1:05 am
Question - who told you that year 12 is neccesary? Legally the requirement is Year 11, it's just a lump of gold on the scales if you finish year 12.

First Aid course is a good idea anyway.

Note that you will need to complete Certificate I before attempting Certificate II. Puffing Billy ran a program recently, which I participated in, called "Rail Pathways". It finished a while ago, pending further funding from Ruddy. But I got my Cert I out of it. Apparently next time it runs, the units will be focused on Signalling/Safeworking and then Timetabling/Scheduling.

Also, PBR is going to run a safeworking course soon (separate from the Cert systems), presumably starting in about a month. Try to contact John Morice, as he's supposed to be arranging it. I think you'll need to be a member of 'Puff in order to do the course...

Talk to your careers advisors when you go back to school, and ask them to arrange Work Experience at Connex. I did, and got dumped in administration under the Flinders Street dome (which wasn't that bad, really). But, I managed to:
a) get a few good contacts, to get the upper hand come employment time
b) I got to do site tours and stuff like that - it was so tempting to drop an M&M off the top of the Flinders Street clocktower! Twisted Evil

BTW, there are many more positions within the rail industry, than just driving choochoos all day.

For example, Signallers get paid around $55k p.a., maybe $80k as a metropolitain area controller, i.e. Camberwell or Sunshine, and currently $98k p.a. to work in Metrol.

Other options include timetabling (train graphs, writing circulars), station staffing, admin, maintenance, and so on. But aside from timetables and admin, the majority of these positions are shift work.



Happy Chanukah!

David S.
*Vice President, Smart Passengers Inc
(My opinions are my own unless specifically stated.)
*Holder of Cert I, Transport & Logistics
*Bogie Winner 2008 - "Best Contribution to Signalling and Infrastructure"
*Youngest person in 20 years to author four Connex Circulars
*Youngest person ever to sit at the control desk in METROL (I think)

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vlocity160 V/Gunzel   Joined: May 03, 2006
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vlocity160   
Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 1:28 am
SteamtoStay wrote:
Question - who told you that year 12 is neccesary?
I admit I have made a mistake there, I was told that basically you have to have year 12 or equivalent education to get a look in these days though it isn't a requirement.

THe other area that I have interests in is V/Line's Cars Office though that job is advertised internally.

Thanks for that SteamtoStay greatly appreciated! Smile



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Matt
 
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Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:22 pm
vlocity160 wrote:
SteamtoStay wrote:
Question - who told you that year 12 is neccesary?
I admit I have made a mistake there, I was told that basically you have to have year 12 or equivalent education to get a look in these days though it isn't a requirement.

THe other area that I have interests in is V/Line's Cars Office though that job is advertised internally.

Thanks for that SteamtoStay greatly appreciated! Smile


Hey, no problem. I'm in the same position as you are currently, except I want to get that Metrol job!



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David S.
*Vice President, Smart Passengers Inc
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*Holder of Cert I, Transport & Logistics
*Bogie Winner 2008 - "Best Contribution to Signalling and Infrastructure"
*Youngest person in 20 years to author four Connex Circulars
*Youngest person ever to sit at the control desk in METROL (I think)

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train_lover01 Assistant Commissioner   Joined: Nov 06, 2004
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:44 pm
Matt,

I can probably get you some work experience at EDI if you want, I believe they are looking at putting on some more apprentices soon. A foot in the door on the maintenance side of things can lead to driving.

Anyways, PM me if your interested.

Chris
 
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:55 pm
What TAFE etc offer the Cert 1/2 in Rail Ops?

I'm looking at a railway job for 2009 if I can find any. Good excuse to move home.



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SteamtoStay   
Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:32 pm
alstom_888m wrote:
What TAFE etc offer the Cert 1/2 in Rail Ops?

I'm looking at a railway job for 2009 if I can find any. Good excuse to move home.


Apparently Dandenong, Holmesglen and one of the city ones offer it, but that's from memory.



Happy Chanukah!

David S.
*Vice President, Smart Passengers Inc
(My opinions are my own unless specifically stated.)
*Holder of Cert I, Transport & Logistics
*Bogie Winner 2008 - "Best Contribution to Signalling and Infrastructure"
*Youngest person in 20 years to author four Connex Circulars
*Youngest person ever to sit at the control desk in METROL (I think)

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574M White Guru   Joined: Mar 15, 2006
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574M   
Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 1:49 am
train_lover01 wrote:
Matt,

I can probably get you some work experience at EDI if you want, I believe they are looking at putting on some more apprentices soon. A foot in the door on the maintenance side of things can lead to driving.

Anyways, PM me if your interested.

Chris


I'd probably take this entrance, if I were in your shoes.

A foot in the door, experience in an allied railway industry, Cert I and II and good references will help you. Moreover, an apprenticeship in an allied or related industry will give you a strong mechanical background that you will need.

Appenticeships pay well, btw. And if you don't get to where you wish to be immediately, then at the very least, you have a trade to fall back on while you refine your approach to your aspirations.

Instead of the scattergun approach, (looking around at every possible which way to get it and wasting energy) it shows common sense if you refine your approach, set some stepping stones as your goal, and take it step by step.

That sort of approach in a resume shows self discipline and self confidence, and will take you a lot further (in addition to preparing you with a strong foundation and good claims).
 
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:55 am
574M wrote:
I'd probably take this entrance, if I were in your shoes.
I'll second the above.

Diesel maintenance experience, especially in a railway environment, is a very favourable background to have when applying for a Trainee's position.

As has been said above, Senior First Aid is good to have, and if it's not too late to change, get Year 11 & 12 Physics under your belt. That way you can understand the concepts of stringlining a train and why it's a baaaaad idea, and also why you experience high lateral forces when in Dynamic just that little bit easier.

And just a word of warning, it ain't as glamourous as you might imagine. The hours suck. The roster sucks. The way you're treated by management sucks. The condition of a lot of loco's sucks and, compared to what the mine blokes are on, the pay sucks.

But don't let that put you off. Suburban Driver's know their roster & when they're going home, usually, and despite what the mine guys are on, it is a pretty good paying career.



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PhilA71 Junior Train Controller   Joined: Jan 23, 2003
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:58 pm
One word of advice i will give young aspiring loco drivers is: experience and enjoy life a bit before you get tied down to driving trains, as your social life and what really makes you happy takes a serious beating. As a young bloke its hard to comprehend the ad hoc lifestyle.TRUST ME!!!

I'm not knocking your aspirartions because i was in exactly the same situation as you guys. The reason being is becuase im only 20 and not far from getting my ticket. I got so caught up in wanting to become a loco driver as it was the only thing i wanted to do. Now I've been doing it, aint as good as what it appears, from gunzel perspective.

Say for instance this weekend you want to go on a road trip with your mates Phillip Island. But the only job you have showing on your roster is a Dimboola rest on saturday and come back sunday. Every otherday all u have is question marks.You cant make any plans during the week incase u get called in.The only time u want to go out and have fun u have to work. Freight rosters are adhoc and spontaneous no matter who or where you work. Now after you been on the track to dimi once thats enough, its flat and boring. Yeah its great money but I can tell you what id rather be doing having a good time with the mates nd girlfriend enjoying the things in life money cant buy.

I do like driving trains but, its very hard to have a balanced lifestyle work,rest and play. There are more jobs in the rail industry than driving that pay well and allow you to have a life away from the job. Your only young once so enjoy yourselves this job aint goining anywhere anytime soon, there only going to need more and more drivers in the future.
 
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vlocity160 V/Gunzel   Joined: May 03, 2006
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:54 pm
Thanks for that guys greatly appreciate it! Smile



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Matt
 
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 7:30 pm
If you are looking sparks, the link for Connex Melbourne Trainee Drivers has been activated. You can now apply at http://www.careerfocus.com.au/connexmelbourne

http://psyfactors.dyndns.org/careerfocus/welcomeconnextraindriver.htm wrote:

Application Dates and Deadlines:

It is solely your responsibility to make sure that we receive your application by the closing date and time stated in the advertisement.

* Applications close on Friday Nov 14, 2008 at 5.00pm sharp
* You can expect an email regarding the status of your initial application by November 21, 2008.
* Online assessments are scheduled for the 19th - 27 November 2008.



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davern69 Station Master   Joined: Mar 19, 2007
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:28 pm
To be accepted into the initial driver training course, we require a minimum of year 11 and no criminal record. Candidates must be medically fit and are required to pass a drug test. Applicants are also required to be a minimum of 19.5 years old, as they cannot legally drive a train until they have computed 21 years. Computer skills are an asset, experience with heavy machinery is an advantage and an appreciation for electrical/mechanical equipment is considered favourable.

Thats from Connex's Word
 
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skidsteer Chief Train Controller   Joined: Feb 13, 2006
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:15 pm
davern69 wrote:
To be accepted into the initial driver training course, we require a minimum of year 11 and no criminal record. Candidates must be medically fit and are required to pass a drug test. Applicants are also required to be a minimum of 19.5 years old, as they cannot legally drive a train until they have computed 21 years. Computer skills are an asset, experience with heavy machinery is an advantage and an appreciation for electrical/mechanical equipment is considered favourable.

Thats from Connex's Word


Must be a new rule, I qualified 3 months before my 21st birthday a few years ago



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BJ Titsengolf That's Numberwang!   Joined: May 13, 2003
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:05 pm
davern69 wrote:
To be accepted into the initial driver training course, we require a minimum of year 11 and no criminal record. Candidates must be medically fit and are required to pass a drug test. Applicants are also required to be a minimum of 19.5 years old, as they cannot legally drive a train until they have computed 21 years. Computer skills are an asset, experience with heavy machinery is an advantage and an appreciation for electrical/mechanical equipment is considered favourable.

Thats from Connex's Word

Has anyone posted what the average age of the spark driver recruits is? From memory, it's 30+, but i'd need to check.  
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