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doridori
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:56 pm
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| HMC1989 wrote: | | doridori wrote: | | Are they planning to hold an open day for the public to walk through this, like has been done with multiple other new infrastructures ? |
Maybe no public walks but I am on the list for the emergency evacuations to be held in Nov/Dec (Railcorp staff only).
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None of the emergency services are involved with that ?
May be young'n'dumb, yet unlike some, I've heart!
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nadnerb_2000
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 11:21 pm
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| doridori wrote: | | HMC1989 wrote: | | doridori wrote: | | Are they planning to hold an open day for the public to walk through this, like has been done with multiple other new infrastructures ? |
Maybe no public walks but I am on the list for the emergency evacuations to be held in Nov/Dec (Railcorp staff only).
Cheers |
None of the emergency services are involved with that ? |
I don't believe so. Moreover, there are very few "operational" staff involved in this - its mainly office type staff as I understand it. They want people who don't have expert knowledge of rail operations (I can hear the punchlines coming), to simulate "average joe" passengers.
They probably will have the railcorp fire brigade in etc, but most of the scenarios will probably involve emergencies/evacuations where the fire brigade doesn't respond. After all, it's in tunnel - in real life people aren't just going to sit there and wait for the fire brigade to rescue them if there is a fire.
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doridori
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:10 am
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| nadnerb_2000 wrote: | | doridori wrote: | | HMC1989 wrote: | | doridori wrote: | | Are they planning to hold an open day for the public to walk through this, like has been done with multiple other new infrastructures ? |
Maybe no public walks but I am on the list for the emergency evacuations to be held in Nov/Dec (Railcorp staff only).
Cheers |
None of the emergency services are involved with that ? |
I don't believe so. Moreover, there are very few "operational" staff involved in this - its mainly office type staff as I understand it. They want people who don't have expert knowledge of rail operations (I can hear the punchlines coming), to simulate "average joe" passengers.
They probably will have the railcorp fire brigade in etc, but most of the scenarios will probably involve emergencies/evacuations where the fire brigade doesn't respond. After all, it's in tunnel - in real life people aren't just going to sit there and wait for the fire brigade to rescue them if there is a fire. |
In real life, people are idiots, don't discount the stupidity of humans!
It is a pity that the emergency services aren't invited to this, as in real life, the response of the rail rescue crew is significantly slower than that of the fire and ambos and on par with the volunteer emergency crews...
To give more body to that statement, the rail rescue and recovery crews have to live within ~30 minutes of their base, then they have to get their gear and get to the location, and this comes directly from the horses mouth!
May be young'n'dumb, yet unlike some, I've heart!
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thadocta
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:47 am
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| doridori wrote: | | In real life, people are idiots, don't discount the stupidity of humans! |
Probably entirely appropriate then that they are using managerial/office staff for the exercise!
Dave
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doridori
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:53 am
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[quote="thadocta"][quote="doridori"]In real life, people are idiots, don't discount the stupidity of humans![/quote]
Probably entirely appropriate then that they are using managerial/office staff for the exercise!
Dave[/quote]
I'll pay that call ;)
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Bwana
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:24 am
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| nadnerb_2000 wrote: | | They want people who don't have expert knowledge of rail operations (I can hear the punchlines coming), to simulate "average joe" passengers. |
Wouldn't "average Joe" passengers have no option but to burn to death, given that they have no way of getting out of the train unless they can break through the windows (yeah, right!)?
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HMC1989
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:00 am
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| thadocta wrote: | | doridori wrote: | | In real life, people are idiots, don't discount the stupidity of humans! |
Probably entirely appropriate then that they are using managerial/office staff for the exercise!
Dave |
Geez I've just been promoted from the shop floor.  Do I get a pay rise? 
Cheers
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Blackadder
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:48 am
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| thadocta wrote: | | doridori wrote: | | In real life, people are idiots, don't discount the stupidity of humans! |
Probably entirely appropriate then that they are using managerial/office staff for the exercise!
Dave |
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sandown
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:12 pm
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In addition to the new turn back adjacent to the Up Main at Epping servicing platforms 1 and 2 I noticed, whilst working thru Cheltenham last Friday, Platform 2 at Cheltenham is also now signalled for turnbacks. Much the same as a terminator at Eastwood on the Down Main.
Innuendo is not Italian for suppository
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nadnerb_2000
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:20 pm
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| sandown wrote: | | In addition to the new turn back adjacent to the Up Main at Epping servicing platforms 1 and 2 I noticed, whilst working thru Cheltenham last Friday, Platform 2 at Cheltenham is also now signalled for turnbacks. Much the same as a terminator at Eastwood on the Down Main. |
. . . except Cheltenham is still outside of Epping yard limits. So in order to turn back from the platform, a train needs a special proceed authority.
Railcleaning jobs going over that crossover are only going to the yard limits sign apparently due to this very reason. I imagine they'll fix this one up reasonably soon.
Mind you - I dont know why they installed a high speed crossover there, then only provided a shunting signal for the movement . . .
Anywho. In other news - the word is the Chatswood interchange will be commissioned in two stages during November. If that's true, then from around november 22 (IIRC) trains should start using the up platforms. I'll be on annual leave so I won't get to see it immediately. If it's fully commissioned, they'll be able to start using Chatswood as a turnback - that could be a rather handy capacity to have.
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sandown
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:39 pm
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| nadnerb_2000 wrote: | | sandown wrote: | | In addition to the new turn back adjacent to the Up Main at Epping servicing platforms 1 and 2 I noticed, whilst working thru Cheltenham last Friday, Platform 2 at Cheltenham is also now signalled for turnbacks. Much the same as a terminator at Eastwood on the Down Main. |
. . . except Cheltenham is still outside of Epping yard limits. So in order to turn back from the platform, a train needs a special proceed authority.
Railcleaning jobs going over that crossover are only going to the yard limits sign apparently due to this very reason. I imagine they'll fix this one up reasonably soon.
Mind you - I dont know why they installed a high speed crossover there, then only provided a shunting signal for the movement . . .
Anywho. In other news - the word is the Chatswood interchange will be commissioned in two stages during November. If that's true, then from around november 22 (IIRC) trains should start using the up platforms. I'll be on annual leave so I won't get to see it immediately. If it's fully commissioned, they'll be able to start using Chatswood as a turnback - that could be a rather handy capacity to have. |
I'm certain Yard Limits will be extended before they start running trains but given it's 1.7kms between stations it's a long way to shunt. And the time lost if you did ' shunt ' would likely impact on other services. lol.
Innuendo is not Italian for suppository
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nadnerb_2000
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:32 am
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| sandown wrote: | | nadnerb_2000 wrote: | | sandown wrote: | | In addition to the new turn back adjacent to the Up Main at Epping servicing platforms 1 and 2 I noticed, whilst working thru Cheltenham last Friday, Platform 2 at Cheltenham is also now signalled for turnbacks. Much the same as a terminator at Eastwood on the Down Main. |
. . . except Cheltenham is still outside of Epping yard limits. So in order to turn back from the platform, a train needs a special proceed authority.
Railcleaning jobs going over that crossover are only going to the yard limits sign apparently due to this very reason. I imagine they'll fix this one up reasonably soon.
Mind you - I dont know why they installed a high speed crossover there, then only provided a shunting signal for the movement . . .
Anywho. In other news - the word is the Chatswood interchange will be commissioned in two stages during November. If that's true, then from around november 22 (IIRC) trains should start using the up platforms. I'll be on annual leave so I won't get to see it immediately. If it's fully commissioned, they'll be able to start using Chatswood as a turnback - that could be a rather handy capacity to have. |
I'm certain Yard Limits will be extended before they start running trains but given it's 1.7kms between stations it's a long way to shunt. And the time lost if you did ' shunt ' would likely impact on other services. lol. |
Actually it wont be 1.7km of shunting.
The shunt signal at Cheltenham is marked as being a repeater - it shows the indication of the shunt signal located just before the crossover. So as I understand it, the driver can pretty much travel as normal (once the yard limit is extended) past the repeater, until reaching the actual shunting signal. After that - as a shunt signal is no guarantee that the line ahead is clear - the train has to go at restricted speed until the next mainline signal indication.
Its still wasteful - if they'd put a mainline signal in with a "top yellow" indication, it wouldn't be a problem. But I spose that could still be possible in future.
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Blackadder
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:48 am
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| nadnerb_2000 wrote: | | sandown wrote: | | In addition to the new turn back adjacent to the Up Main at Epping servicing platforms 1 and 2 I noticed, whilst working thru Cheltenham last Friday, Platform 2 at Cheltenham is also now signalled for turnbacks. Much the same as a terminator at Eastwood on the Down Main. |
. . . except Cheltenham is still outside of Epping yard limits. So in order to turn back from the platform, a train needs a special proceed authority.
Railcleaning jobs going over that crossover are only going to the yard limits sign apparently due to this very reason. I imagine they'll fix this one up reasonably soon.
Mind you - I dont know why they installed a high speed crossover there, then only provided a shunting signal for the movement . . .
Anywho. In other news - the word is the Chatswood interchange will be commissioned in two stages during November. If that's true, then from around november 22 (IIRC) trains should start using the up platforms. I'll be on annual leave so I won't get to see it immediately. If it's fully commissioned, they'll be able to start using Chatswood as a turnback - that could be a rather handy capacity to have. |
From memory Nov 8 and 22 come to mind as the dates of the Chatswood commissioning.
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Inspector
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:58 pm
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| nadnerb_2000 wrote: | .......there are very few "operational" staff involved in this - its mainly office type staff as I understand it. They want people who don't have expert knowledge of rail operations (I can hear the punchlines coming), to simulate "average joe" passengers.
They probably will have the railcorp fire brigade in etc, but most of the scenarios will probably involve emergencies/evacuations where the fire brigade doesn't respond. After all, it's in tunnel - in real life people aren't just going to sit there and wait for the fire brigade to rescue them if there is a fire. |
That would appear to be the case - I was going to put my name down for the exercises, until I looked again at the blurb in "What's News", and saw that they wanted "non-operational" staff only (i.e: station staff need not apply). I immediately twigged why.
As for people just sitting there - time and again, I've been told in fire training that one of the biggest problems in evacuation is the "boiling frog syndrome" - people DO just sit there, even while the train fills with smoke...... 
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SL66
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:37 pm
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Draft Timetables are beginning to appear at some suburban stations for 2009. They do not yet appear to be on the Cityrail website.
North Shore:
This will continue to have the 15 min schedule to Hornsby with every second train contiuing to Berowra.
Threaded into this service will be a 20 min frequency to Hornsby via Macquarie Park with the trains running express between North Sydney and St Leonards.
Main North:
The services will commence at Epping and the timetable only shows times to Central. No intermediate times are shown between Strathfield and Central.
There will be no suburban service between Hornsby and Strathfield. A change of trains will be necessary at Epping.
The existing frequency to Gosford/Newcastle will continue.
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and a lone amateur to build the "Ark"
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