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pheonics
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:58 pm
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| G516 wrote: | | pheonics wrote: | R761 & R707 tripple heading with 2313 on a sleeping & sitting car train.
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I presume you meant depart Spencer Street at 11:13pm and not the QR 2300 class locomotive. 
Good idea though. It would be an awesome sight, 2 steamers in the main street. Also would be great if 711 could come. |
Yeah im still very tired from the trip lol. it was meant to say S313.
Here are some of my pics!
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R761 sitting at Maryborough during her ETW period around 2.50am Saturday Morning.
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Maryborough Station sign in the glimming of a Lens Flare.
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I basically woke up to this sight almost!
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R761 at Charlton for a Splash & Dash.
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R761 storming across the Avoca River Bridge
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R761, T356 & S301 with the consist traveling between Charlton & Glenoth en route to Wycheproof. The coal wagon looks fantastic!
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Steaming up Broadway!!
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R761 leading the last Down shuttle to Wycheproof of a nice long Bridge
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R761, T356 & Y145 sitting at the Wycheproof Yard Grain Silo.
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Wycheproof's own restored K176 & Z van with its very lovely new Paint Job.
http://hansonator.fotopic.net/p38710862.html
Photo copyrighted & credited to James Hansen (Hansonator)
Wonderful Progress has been made!! A total hats off to the people at Wycheproof for their outstanding effort on the restoration involved
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S301 running Hostle end First down Broadway.
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S301 departing Broadway on its return to Melbourne
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S301 races through Charlton grain silo yard.
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S301 after leading the consist around the curve towards the Korong Vale JNC. (Side note: you can see the Vline warning board for the points for when Vline pass use to operate to Whycheproof).
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S301 arriving at Maryborough.
& my final shot for this post is one of my favorites!
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Maryborough Station.
Enjoy!!
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:59 pm
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| Whycheproof wrote: | | Any more ideas out there? |
Thanks for the response. Fair enough about only the pub benefiting. I was thinking of something like maintaining a similar timetable but providing a bus one-way option for people who don't want to spend the entire weekend.
My only other suggestion would be to run a tour which would involve the train travelling beyond Whyche say after pax have had a few hours in the town - how long ago has it been since Sea Lake or the paddock known as Kulwin seen a tour?
I don't know if there is anything for anybody to see or do in these other towns, however.
" The trains at Pennant Hills run roughly every half hour. Nobody in their right mind uses a service that shoddy. That so many do just proves how many dumb and/or desperate people there are in Sydney." - MrPC
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del_horno15
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:00 pm
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i dont usually go on here often, but he can express his opinion. The fact that some people may disagree with his is a given, people always disagree. But you guys are acting like idiots by having a crack at him. He payed his money to go on that trip, so he can decide if he liked it or not.
this is of course reffering to the point of view of that guy a few pages back
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pheonics
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:11 pm
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| Wycheproof wrote: | | Somebody in the WWW wrote: | How long had it been since any train had passed through Whycheproof prior to SRV's train?
How long does it take from Melb to Whyche by road? I'd like it if some kind of day trip option could be provided in the future - say a bus there (from Bendigo?), experience the festival than the train back, for those who are unable to spend a whole weekend. |
Last train was lst week I think but last passenger train was a deisel in 2006? (SRV members can clarify that).
Day trips are fine but only the pub seems to benefit from those due trips to the long distance being travelled from Melbourne. The weekenders are important for the economic viability of the commuity - not just from people on the train spending money but also the people it attracts from a wide region to the town. The steam train is the star attraction but the other events are worthy of attendance and attention too - Music on the Mount (hugely successfull and will definitely be repeated), working dog display was outstandingly informative, train themed historic photographic exhibitions (amazing reviews).
From Melbourne by road it is 3hours. The train is not able to go via Bednigo due to the quality of track btn Bendigo and Inglewood but there is a V/Line bus back to Bendigo on Sat afternoon which could be an option for us to explore.
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The last Passenger train to Wycheproof was SRV's train on the 17th of Febuary last year with S313 & S301. (Boy S301 is getting to know Wycheproof quite well  ) on that really hot day (i think it got up to 40).
http://hansonator.fotopic.net/p38710862.html
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pheonics
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:20 pm
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| del_horno15 wrote: | i dont usually go on here often, but he can express his opinion. The fact that some people may disagree with his is a given, people always disagree. But you guys are acting like idiots by having a crack at him. He payed his money to go on that trip, so he can decide if he liked it or not.
this is of course reffering to the point of view of that guy a few pages back |
Welcome back to Railpage Australia™ del_horno15.
Yeah, very true He is allowed to express an opinion, but not like the way he did. Saying they should all be sacked and such because this and that, because it didn't over flow with the 400 people he thought. There is a way of expressing an opinion & saying constructive crit, what he was doing was just dissing the entire weekend because of what he thought, without even realising that everyone involved had an absolute ball, including the people ay Wycheproof. As one person said, it almost braught tears to their eyes seeing the R run down the main street. So the entire thing was the way he went about it.
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:38 pm
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| TheRev wrote: | | Mitta Mitta only has accomodation for 6 people. 3 compartments, 6 beds. |
Thanks, for some reason I thought it was 3 compartments, 2 bunks. Having never dared venture in the sleepers when rostered shows... 
However for per1's benefit - and as much as he's entitled to his opinion, I am also equally entitled to point out that he's a goose - 23 cars is not kinda viable.
It is though good to see local councils with both the Wycheproof trip and some others working with heritage groups for the mutual benefit of both parties, it's heartening to see.
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VBAndy
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:04 am
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Like everyone else I enjoyed the weekend thoroughly, not as a passenger but as a very happy motorcader Chased the trip from Bacchus Marsh - Maryborough Friday night then from Bet Bet - Bacchus Marsh Sunday.
A few happy snaps of mine...
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Well done to Steamrail and Wycheproof for their efforts, from a gunzels perspective it was a great trip 
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TheRev
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:35 am
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| pheonics wrote: | <snipped>
R761 & R707 tripple heading with s313 on a sleeping &sitting car train, heading up on Friday night for an arrival on Saturday morning, then departing for Melbourne on Sunday, Turning one of the R's then running push pull steam shuttles. Before turning the other Loco & stabling for the night, and having a 10:30 departure for Melbourne to arrive at 9pm.
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Why not a couple of Klunkers or the Cube and a Klunker instead? You can only go 80km/h with wooden stock, and you will need a diesel to give that extra 'shove' up the many grades anyway...I don't think they'd chew as much coal and water as an R either.
Just a thought.
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AclassGunzel
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:33 am
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Awesome pics guys. I must admit that I'm a little disapointed with all the restrictions facing preservation groups and fans of railfan tours in current times. No photostops, speed restrictions limiting steam locos, warnings not to hang out of windows or open doors etc. Next camera's will be banned and we'll have to wear seat belts!! I can tell you that back in the 80's and 90's you could do anything as it was presumed you were responsible. On one tour recently I witnessed a passenger on tour being tackled away from an opened door - apparently there are heavy fines that the operator must pay these days if doors are open whilst the train is moving. It is still enjoyable to be on these special trips but those who missed out decades ago are really missing out.
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:04 am
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| Somebody in the WWW wrote: | | How long had it been since any train had passed through Whycheproof prior to SRV's train? |
THe previous train was about 16 hours before.
BL32 ran through on an up grain about 17 00 Fri night and ran back to Bendigo, where it was still sitting yesterday afternoon.
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Wycheproof
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:31 am
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It's great getting some feedback on the weekend and the suggestions for future trips is enormously valuable.
There are future Steaming up Broadway festivals planned but the cost of such a project is quite high. With many railfans motorcading the train the cost of the charter becomes more difficult to cover - we essentially need to source new customers to pay and hop on board and this is also an expensive exercise in advertising.
Does anyone have any suggestions on what would get some of the mototorcaders on the train as paying passngers? Without the passengers trips like this can't occur. By working topgether perhaps there are some solutions which suit both railfans and charterers like Wycheproof to keep the train running - you get photo opportunities and we get the train for the festival. It would be a great win-win situation.
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pheonics
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:44 am
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| TheRev wrote: | | pheonics wrote: | <snipped>
R761 & R707 tripple heading with s313 on a sleeping &sitting car train, heading up on Friday night for an arrival on Saturday morning, then departing for Melbourne on Sunday, Turning one of the R's then running push pull steam shuttles. Before turning the other Loco & stabling for the night, and having a 10:30 departure for Melbourne to arrive at 9pm.
Regards
Daniel |
Why not a couple of Klunkers or the Cube and a Klunker instead? You can only go 80km/h with wooden stock, and you will need a diesel to give that extra 'shove' up the many grades anyway...I don't think they'd chew as much coal and water as an R either.
Just a thought. |
Ah yeah, that would be nice!. My main thought of using the R class was due to distance water capacity, ie: how many water stops you would need & also if we have a long train the S is capable of pushing/pulling if one of the R has a little problem. I like your double Klunker idea though!... maybe the D3 & Klunder 153!
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pheonics
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:00 am
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| Wycheproof wrote: | It's great getting some feedback on the weekend and the suggestions for future trips is enormously valuable.
There are future Steaming up Broadway festivals planned but the cost of such a project is quite high. With many railfans motorcading the train the cost of the charter becomes more difficult to cover - we essentially need to source new customers to pay and hop on board and this is also an expensive exercise in advertising.
Does anyone have any suggestions on what would get some of the mototorcaders on the train as paying passngers? Without the passengers trips like this can't occur. By working topgether perhaps there are some solutions which suit both railfans and charterers like Wycheproof to keep the train running - you get photo opportunities and we get the train for the festival. It would be a great win-win situation. |
(I'm having a lot of posts at the moment, mainly because i reply to different things at different times..)
Umm, its a tricky one, the idea of a Tripple header or Double header usually sells out trains. We ran one to Ballarat via Bacchus Marsh in 2006 with K190 & K153, that train was pretty much booked out. Then the year prior, the SteamFest to Maryborough with K153 leading D3 658 (back then it was 369) out of Spencer Street, to meet Y112 (veteran steamer) at Ballarat. Then Y112 & D3 658 (639) ran to Maryborough. That train was almost sold out.
So the Locomotives make a difference in what people will go on. As we all saw in 2003 when R761 & R707 ventured your way Wycheproof, that train was packed. Double R's sell out trips as we have seen in previous years.
I reckon the following combinations would give some railfans a reason to go on the train, as it is not always accessable to motorcade the train that is over night.
R761, R707 & S313.
D3 658 & R761.
D3 658 & T356.
K153 & K190.
K153, K153, D3 658.
K153, T356.
K190 & R761.
D3 658, R761 & R707.
R761, T395 & T356
Planned as a melbourne departure of 9pm for an arrival at Wycheproof at 9.30 in the morning. Then push pull shuttles with whatever locomotives.
Make the shuttles between:
1* Wycheproof - Glenoth.
2* Wycheproof - Dumosa.
Actually! I do have one thing.... Doing a Photostop on some platforms along the way & having tape around a padestrian crossing, where they can go over to the other side of the line. Also disembark people at Broadway, reverse the train to the Station, then proceed down the main street in a Photo Run. Because then people can see the train entering Broadway who were on it.
I'll think of some other things that would possibly get them on the trip and ill PM them to you.
What i did was, i payed for a sitting car ticket, took the train from Melb - Charlton, motorcaded it until Maryborough on Sunday then took the train from Maryborough - Melb. So i still paid for a ticket & rode on the train!.
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:50 am
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| Wycheproof wrote: | | Does anyone have any suggestions on what would get some of the mototorcaders on the train as paying passngers? |
A while back SRHC ran a train out to Bairnsdale with a chartered bus chasing the train from Sale to Stratford, with the train stopping at various places so the bus could get into place and everyone pile out. Given how much petrol costs these days it might work out cheaper for some people instead of chasing it themselves.
Another way is to run the train so fast that someone chasing it in the car at the speed limit cannot keep up. However, that doesn't quite work without good quality track. 
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:13 am
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At the risk of generalising, I think the majority of motorcaders are generally those who couldn't afford to spend the whole weekend on the activity. For instance, I would have loved to have travelled on the train but didn't have the time to go 2 nights. I had considered though driving up Sunday morning and chasing the train back. Motorcading the whole weekend may not have worked out that much cheaper once you take into account fuel, food and accommodation so I'm not sure that you could really say that the cost of the train fare forced people to motorcade. As others have said, the fare was pretty reasonable actually.
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