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steam3801
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Maikha
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:13 pm
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My photos of Yass can also be found in a thread I posted a while ago here
Cheers
Maikha Ly
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drwaddles
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:14 am
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| bugmenot wrote: | | While it would be good to keep for nostalgic reasons, if I was living in Yass (particularly living on that street) I'd be glad to see it go. As it stands, I consider that part of the line to be a dangerous traffic hazard, and this would be reason why the council wants that part of the line removed. |
It's no different to having a median strip.
People who talk out their asre usually have bad breath.
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bugmenot
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:57 am
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No, the track in the roadway is badly marked. At night it is a traffic hazard to the un-suspecting driver. It should be removed.
If in the future (extremely remote chance) they wanted to run trains on the right of way, they'd have to rip up the track and relay it. So there's no real loss.
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drwaddles
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 12:26 pm
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Paint a solid white line along the roadway on each side of the track. Much cheaper and simpler than removing it.
People who talk out their asre usually have bad breath.
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Chufffa
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:53 pm
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Theres 3 options
1 Relay track within a new design for the street with option of an operator to run rail cars
2 Rip up the track and use space for car parks and gardens.
3 leave it as it is messy and downright unsafe and wait to get sued for injury sooner or later.
Its up to somebody to make the call but as it is i would not like it left the way it is infont of my house
Chears Neil
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bugmenot
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:46 pm
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I would vote option 2.
But judging from recent posts, the consensus amongst people here seems to be option 3.
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TheLoneGunMan
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:00 am
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| Chufffa wrote: | Hi
Theres 3 options
1 Relay track within a new design for the street with option of an operator to run rail cars
2 Rip up the track and use space for car parks and gardens.
3 leave it as it is messy and downright unsafe and wait to get sued for injury sooner or later.
Its up to somebody to make the call but as it is i would not like it left the way it is infont of my house
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I'd like to know how many people have tripped over it in the past? I'd say the residents would know where the tracks are day and night so they wouldn't be the ones tripping over them. I'd vote to re-lay the track, not rip it up, there is too much ripping track up now. It's funny how even the most isolated railway stations had a train stop at it 50+ years ago, but today with this carbon worried society hundreds of old railway stations not only don't see a train trundle past or stop, nor do they see the rubber tired counterpart. I reckon that ARTC should have a name change to ARUTC Australian Rip Up Track Corporation? Governments of today want people to live out bush, but don't want to give bush people reliable public transport.
Mike P
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Inspector
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:28 pm
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| TheLoneGunMan wrote: | | Chufffa wrote: | Hi
Theres 3 options
1 Relay track within a new design for the street with option of an operator to run rail cars
2 Rip up the track and use space for car parks and gardens.
3 leave it as it is messy and downright unsafe and wait to get sued for injury sooner or later.
Its up to somebody to make the call but as it is i would not like it left the way it is infont of my house
Cheers Neil |
Hi All,
I'd like to know how many people have tripped over it in the past? I'd say the residents would know where the tracks are day and night so they wouldn't be the ones tripping over them. I'd vote to re-lay the track, not rip it up, there is too much ripping track up now. It's funny how even the most isolated railway stations had a train stop at it 50+ years ago, but today with this carbon worried society hundreds of old railway stations not only don't see a train trundle past or stop, nor do they see the rubber tired counterpart. I reckon that ARTC should have a name change to ARUTC Australian Rip Up Track Corporation? Governments of today want people to live out bush, but don't want to give bush people reliable public transport.
Mike P |
Hear, hear!
For too long now, successive governments in this state (irrespective of their political colour) have had a "civilisation ends at Strathfield" mentality. There is a marked reluctance to provide anything more than the most basic services beyond the "sandstone curtain". There is thus a curious dichotomy - on the one hand, people living rural and regional areas find all but the most basic transport (and other) services to be all-but-out-of-reach, while on the other hand, people in urban areas have (and demand more of) all manner of facilities and services, but don't want to live within cooee of them........  
It'd be funny if it wasn't so smegging PATHETIC...... 
(end of rant)
Getting back on-topic, I favour Option 1 - relay the track flush with the roadway, tramway-style, with suitable line marking. It's not THAT difficult - is it??
Special delivery - a berm........a BERM??!!!?
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drwaddles
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:42 pm
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There is no worth in relaying the track. The track is only heritage significant in its current arrangement.
Again, it is not danger if you do not try and cross it. How is it any different to having a median strip? If visibility needs improving, then paint a single white line along each side, making it illegal to cross.
If there are problems at intersections (which I don't believe there are) then I would be in favour of removing the tracks/sealing them over at those locations.
People who talk out their asre usually have bad breath.
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8041
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:17 pm
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Did any of you guys actually look at the council proposal?
It is very detailed and gives very good reasons for wanting to remove it.
As much as I love old lines like this (I have equally fond memories of the old Holdsworthy rifle range line through Moorebank in Sydney) I can see why councils want to be rid of them. Road way running of trains is unnacceptable in this day and age.
Look at the pictures on the council report and you will see exactly why it is a traffic hazard, and an unnecessary one at that.
As someone else noted the track is only heritage value in its current run down and dangerous state and will never be used again and to replace it with a road level tramway would negate any heritage values and leave an expensive and unused piece of non heritage tramway within the roadway. A total waste of money.
If in the future a rail preservation group or even the local community wanted to reopen the line it will still be possible and may one day very well happen given the coming energy crisis. The track bed will be kept clear and if things ever get bad enough for it to be reopened then i suppose there wont be too many cars to worry about LOL
It is a great pity that all these eccentric little branch lines have to go but it is called progress and we have to remember we are biased and to occasionally look at things from "normal" peoples eyes hahaha Im sure the people of <I cant remember the name of the street> will be glad to have a nice clean street with gardens and a bike track in the future rather than the mess it is at the moment.
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4426_No_2_end
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:04 pm
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8041 have you been down to a place called Wycheproof in Victoria?
They still have trains running down the centre of the main thoroughfare and its quite an attractive destination for Tour Trains as the station also is in the middle of the street.
Yet I dont see anyone wanting to rip up the line through Wycheproof just because someone wants to stop walking home from Late Night Drinks at the Council Chambers and fall A end Up over a railway line that was there before them.
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drwaddles
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:10 pm
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Don't forget that Dutton Street is OWNED by ARTC and it is not a public road (according to the Heritage Impact Statement).
ARTC could be right khunts about it and stop Clowncil from doing anything to the tracks.
People who talk out their asre usually have bad breath.
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:06 pm
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| drwaddles wrote: | Don't forget that Dutton Street is OWNED by ARTC and it is not a public road (according to the Heritage Impact Statement).
ARTC could be right khunts about it and stop Clowncil from doing anything to the tracks. |
Until they get sued by some errant motorist or pedestrian.
4426 I hadnt heard of Wycheproof till you mentioned it and it seems quite unique these days. Does it get regular passenger services? Pity the people of Yass didnt value their railway as much as the people of Wycheproof. It might have still been a serviceable destination instead of the hazardous scrapyard it is now.
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TE2815
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:21 pm
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| drwaddles wrote: | | Don't forget that Dutton Street is OWNED by ARTC and it is not a public road (according to the Heritage Impact Statement). |
Actually owned by Rail Infrastructure Corporation (which is RailCorp in theory) and managed by ARTC under the terms of the lease agreement as part of the Country Residual Network as per all the Country Branch Lines.
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