Victoria's Rail Tunnels

 
  MOM Chief Commissioner

Location: here, there, everywhere....
I've got an old 1:63500 ASM that shows  Fyanesford .
Give a day and I'll scan it for you (From memeory I think there was more than one tunnel, but Old Farts disease is rampant with me)).!

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  hotdogpants1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Here.
I've got an old 1:63500 ASM that shows  Fyanesford .
Give a day and I'll scan it for you (From memeory I think there was more than one tunnel, but Old Farts disease is rampant with me)).!
"MOM"

Ah thank you!
I've scanned the internet for pics, but I can't find any. Only wongm's photos of the line.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

A question about the Fyansford tunnel.

Where on the Melways did this tunnel operate?
"tranzitjim"

I couldn't find it either. The track just ends at a open space, which should be the cement works.
"hotdogpants1"

The cement works are clearly visible on google maps, the railway ran above ground from the cement works, and then tunneled basically down into the quarry. I will try and dig out some articles on Fyansford and see whether there's a half-reasonable map.
  S301 Chief Train Controller

Location: South West Victorian Coast
Wasn't Fyansford's Tunnel down below where the Geelong Ring Road runs now? I dont think it has anything to with the BG line that ran from Nth Geelong yard to the Cement Works.   Am thinking the line was NG.  The tunnel from what i am thinking ran under the cement works not from the BG, unsure where the entrance is to it, have not found it but could be filled in?
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Wasn't Fyansford's Tunnel down below where the Geelong Ring Road runs now? I dont think it has anything to with the BG line that ran from Nth Geelong yard to the Cement Works.   Am thinking the line was NG.  The tunnel from what i am thinking ran under the cement works not from the BG, unsure where the entrance is to it, have not found it but could be filled in?
"S301"

Ah, perhaps that explains some of the questions. You are right, the tunnel was on the APC (Australian Portland Cement) 3'6" line. This line ran from the cement works, at the bottom of the hill from the BG Fyansford sidings, to the Batesford Quarry, which is close to the river, almost at the Midland Highway.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

As promised, here is a map showing the Fyansford tunnel, scanned from the April 1993 Light Railways.



If you compare this to the view here:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Fyansford+VIC,+Australia&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=58.555544,107.226563&ie=UTF8&ll=-38.128953,144.302588&spn=0.02883,0.052357&t=k&z=15
you can see that the river's been relocated, and the quarry extended signficantly, heading towards the plant. It's hard to determine anything indicating that the tunnel portal might be visible at all... it's a pity the quarry is hidden by cloud. It's clear here:
http://maps.live.com.au/?action=location&location=fyansford%20vic%20australia
but you will need to switch to the Aerial view and zoom in yourself - I couldn't make the link go directly to that view.
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
Tthe tunnel was on the APC (Australian Portland Cement) 3'6" line. This line ran from the cement works, at the bottom of the hill from the BG Fyansford sidings, to the Batesford Quarry, which is close to the river, almost at the Midland Highway.
"duttonbay"

I have two scanned in diagrams of the line on my site:
http://www.railgeelong.com/lineguide/fyansford/private-railway#track-diagrams

The first one is from ARHS 'Excursion to Fyansford - April 20th 1965' tour notes. Drawn by R. Christopher and J. Bogle., the second is 'The Fyansford Cement Line' by John McNeill (Light Railways, April 1993).

The tunnel was filled in on closure, as were the ventilation shafts.

[EDIT] John beat me to it by two minutes!
  steamfreak Assistant Commissioner

Location: Wodonga, VIC
Here are a couple of the Cheviot tunnel:
Molesworth end:
[bigimg]http://pics.steamfreak.com/albums/2006-10-19%20Mansfield%20Line/DSC04717.JPG[/bigimg]

Yea end:
[bigimg]http://pics.steamfreak.com/albums/2006-10-19%20Mansfield%20Line/DSC04721.JPG[/bigimg]

Inside:
[bigimg]http://pics.steamfreak.com/albums/2006-10-19%20Mansfield%20Line/DSC04720.JPG[/bigimg]
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

I have two scanned in diagrams of the line on my site:
http://www.railgeelong.com/lineguide/fyansford/private-railway#track-diagrams
"wongm"

Marcus, I went to your site last night, had a look at the Fyansford page, but failed to see the link to the "APC Narrow Gauge Railway" at the top. Had I noticed that I would have simply pointed people your way...
Incidentally, I travelled on the 21st July 1963 tour behind A2 986, and made my own way to Fyansford a couple of times subsequent to then. I never saw a Garratt in steam, but had a lot of fun with the Vulcan shunting the hoppers around the loop at the plant.
  Turbo Thomas Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
If you want to see photos of the Fyansford quarry railway here's a place thats worth visiting.
http://www.geelongmuseum.com//Geelong_Cement_Retiree%27s_Works_Museum/index.html
It's a museum of the cement works and quite a few other interesting odds and ends.

I regards to tunnels, would Boronia be classified as a tunnel ?
  REX KINGHAM Junior Train Controller

If you want to see photos of the Fyansford quarry railway here's a place thats worth visiting.
http://www.geelongmuseum.com//Geelong_Cement_Retiree%27s_Works_Museum/index.html
It's a museum of the cement works and quite a few other interesting odds and ends.

I regards to tunnels, would Boronia be classified as a tunnel ?
"Turbo Thomas"


What about the Glen Waverley line at East Malvern, dives under the Monash Car Park?
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
In regards to tunnels, would Boronia be classified as a tunnel ?
"Turbo Thomas"

I think part of it was dug underneath the road, rather than cut-and-cover, so possibly.

What about the Glen Waverley line at East Malvern, dives under the Monash Car Park?
"REX KINGHAM"

The tracks used to be a bit to the east, and crosses the creek IIRC on a wooden trestle bridge. In the 1980s the freeway was extended, with a pair of new tracks built alongside the existing ones, concrete walls built either side, and a concrete slab built over the top of them. Trains were then switched to the new tracks, the old ones removed, and the dirt for the freeway embankment places over it all.

How long does an underpass need to be before it becomes a tunnel? Laughing
  KLRabbit Beginner

Location: Melbourne
Another tunnel Geelong to Cunningham Pier (still there near Police Station)
  NR77 Chief Commissioner

Is there any way to access the Fryansford quarry line and tunnel? Is the trestle still there?
And how do you access the Cheviot tunnel?
Is there any way to access the Geelong to Cunningham pier line?

Just another thing, I have noticed there is a short line that goes around the back of Geelong station and heads down to the underpass and crosses the road at the road level. Where did this go?

Cheers!
  S301 Chief Train Controller

Location: South West Victorian Coast
[quote]NR77 wrote: Is there any way to access the Geelong to Cunningham pier line?

Just another thing, I have noticed there is a short line that goes around the back of Geelong station and heads down to the underpass and crosses the road at the road level. Where did this go?

The Cunningham pier line should be accessable from Geelong station, this line you mention is the Cunningham pier line that piece is/should be the start of where the tunnel runs under Mercer Street. To get to the tunnel would be best to check the piece first because the other end is fenced off i think?
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
The Cunningham pier line should be accessable from Geelong station, this line you mention is the Cunningham pier line that piece is/should be the start of where the tunnel runs under Mercer Street.  To get to the tunnel would be best to check the piece first because the other end is fenced off i think?
"S301"

There are two main bits, the one north of Brougham Street:
[img]http://www.railgeelong.com/gallery/cunningham-pier/image/500/247_4710.JPG[/img]

If you turn around there is a brick wall covering the tunnel / cutting mouth. I am not sure if the tunnel started here, or at Mercer Street and the cutting has been filled in.

The bit east of Mercer Street is fenced off, and has a gate over the mouth:
[img]http://www.railgeelong.com/gallery/cunningham-pier/image/500/247_4733.JPG[/img]

More photos are here:
http://www.railgeelong.com/gallery/cunningham-pier/
  Turbo Thomas Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
If you turn around there is a brick wall covering the tunnel / cutting mouth. I am not sure if the tunnel started here, or at Mercer Street and the cutting has been filled in.

The Cunningham pier line used to go from Brougham St to Mercer St in a cutting (which was filled in when the police station got built), the tunnel itself only went underneath Mercer St there used to be a similar iron fence (like the one above)on opposite side of Mercer St.


Is there any way to access the Fryansford quarry line and tunnel? Is the trestle still there?

Here's what's left of the Fyansford quarry trestle bridge.



The only other remnants of this line is a cutting on the side of the hill between the new ring road and where the cement works used to be, and between the ring road and the river the old culvert is used as an access track for a market garden. These are easy to spot in Google Earth although it is an old image that has not yet got the new ring road in it.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
If you turn around there is a brick wall covering the tunnel / cutting mouth. I am not sure if the tunnel started here, or at Mercer Street and the cutting has been filled in.

The Cunningham pier line used to go from Brougham St to Mercer St in a cutting (which was filled in when the police station got built), the tunnel itself only went underneath Mercer St there used to be a similar iron fence (like the one above)on opposite side of Mercer St.
"Turbo Thomas"


Well then It hadly makes It a tunnel then, It's (was) In the the same boat as many large road over rail bridges some that come to mind are at Greengald, Allandford, Panmure, Garvoc, Weerite, Ricketts Marsh, Winchelsea, Morwell, Killmany, Bena, Watsonia, Boronia, South Yarra just to name a few
  KEG Junior Train Controller

And how do you access the Cheviot tunnel?
"NR77"
Cheviot Rd runs through it.

Link to map/directions
  Broadgauge Station Master

Location: Melbourne - Victoria
Weren't the Big Hill and the Elphinstone tunnels the first railway tunnels to be built and opened in Australia?

Also I belive that both of them used to be double tracked.
  Taitset Chief Commissioner

Location: Eltham, (former) vintage safeworking capital of Melbourne
Weren't the Big Hill and the Elphinstone tunnels the first railway tunnels to be built and opened in Australia?

Also I belive that both of them used to be double tracked.
"Broadgauge"

Quite probably, when was South Geelong built?

They were double track right up until the RFR project in 2006 or whenever that was.
  62440 Deputy Commissioner

Many years ago on BR, tunnel length was important as tunnel bonuses were paid. I did some work in Farnworth tunnel which was twin bore with cross refuges, and double reverse curves so no sighting. You had to hang on to the grabrails in the refuges or the trains could blow you through. Not a nice place to work, but at 297 yards it was 3 yards short of official tunnel length. The local gang offered to build a 3 yard extension!
Now you'll find that OH&S will determine what is a tunnel and what is a long bridge ie whether ventilation, fire systems, evacuation routes etc are needed. Whether Exhibition St to Princes Bridge would be a tunnel or a long bridge will be the subject of extensive risk analysis.
WW
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
Quite probably, when was South Geelong built?
"Taitset"

1876, when the line was extended south-west to Winchelsea. Bendigo was very 1861/62.

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