[Rant] - The Alcopop Tax

 
  tainted Missing Link

Location: Shepparton, Vic
Many years ago in the car club I'm in one of the olderly gentlemen really got pissed with everyone as there would be no takers in having a drink with him. His drink of choice 'White Lightning' aka metho 'n' milk. Apparently it's OK once you get used to the taste  Spew

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  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
A mate of mine keeps telling me "beer is the new wine". Whatever that means.
"dasher"

People wanking over it in the same way they do about schmancy wine?

I know a girl who years ago could not afford anything decent to drink and so used to hit the cooking Ouzo... Heavy stuff that, I can drink nearly anything but that stuff is just beyond bad!
"Aaron"

I bought a bottle of chinese cooking wine and passed it around some mates, telling them about the 40% alcohol content, but omitting that it also had 4% salt in it. Twisted Evil

This will also hurt the on board heritage train bar sales too, which means less profit for preservation groups  Sad
"Z1_BOY"

They can mix their drinks as well - on the SRHC trip to Ballarat last weekend I was almost able to kick back in Parlor Car with a nice glass scotch and dry - except they ran out of dry ginger and had to settle for coke with it instead. Oh - and it was a plastic cup not glass.
  dasher Chief Commissioner

Location: Within the NSWGR
I've always likened drinking Chartreuse to drinking moss. There is nothing quite like it.

I did try a Chartreuse and Absinthe mixed shot many a moon ago. If you want a kick in the teeth, and the guts... that is a good place to start!  Shocked

You've been warned.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Mmmm Chartreuse one of my favourites, a few beers, a few scotches and dry, some drams and a couple of Cointreaus straight up and the Chartreuse disappears like water... As for the nights on Absinthe, well the less said the better that stuff is fantastic.

Opal Nera is another better than Ouzo aniseed thingo, personally I think all things aniseed (esp Sambucca) are best left alone.
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
Apparently the little rats are now buying the food flavourings from Woolies/Coles as these are cheap and 60% alcohol...yeah lets scull some vanilla essence Rolling Eyes so now they want these banned from sale too.
"42101"
What they used to do in my day is mix it with equal parts sugar, boil it, cool it down overnight and drink.  You used to be able to get hip flasks of it from small supermarkets but after someone died of alcohol poisoning it got rather quickly banned.
  E1109 Minister for Railways

Location: Bright sunny Darwin
Apparently the little rats are now buying the food flavourings from Woolies/Coles as these are cheap and 60% alcohol...yeah lets scull some vanilla essence Rolling Eyes so now they want these banned from sale too.
"42101"


May I interest anyone in a Listerine (22%/vol ethanol) and Fanta? Makes you tipsy but you smell all pretty  Wink

The Listerine is now kept behind the smokes counter with the purple metho at the local Woolies.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
May I interest anyone in a Listerine (22%/vol ethanol) and Fanta?
"E1109"
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  TheLoadedDog The Ghost of George Stephenson

I can brew you 20 LITRES of something approximating the sweetness and flavour of those pre-mixed girlie drinks, and I can crank it up to TEN PER CENT ALCOHOL BY VOLUME.  It'll cost about fifty cents per 250ml bottle.

I think I'm in the wrong game.



EDIT:  That is to say I COULD do it, but I won't, and nor will I post the instructions.
  SAR T186 Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the next train to Seaford S.A
The solution is simple.



The solution is beer.
"Deep Throat"


Oh yes beer is good! With a fine choice of Coopers Pale Ale in that photo. Long live the Coopers! Now back to my Coopers Sparkling Ale.
  Warks Minister for Railways

Location: Near H30+059
You'll love this story from the Sun Herald then:

Mum, dad buying alcohol for teens

Kerry-Anne Walsh Political correspondent
June 8, 2008

THE liquor industry has called on the Government to educate parents about under-age drinking after official figures reveal many are responsible for supplying alcopops to their teenagers.

An Australian Institute of Health and Welfare submission to a senate inquiry has found that one-third of 12- to 16-year-old male drinkers of ready-to-drinks (RTDs) were supplied by their parents.

It was higher for girls of the same age group, with 40 per cent of RTD drinkers having their alcohol supplied by their parents.

The Government has singled out under-age girls as the target of a crackdown on teenage binge drinking.

It dramatically lifted the excise on alcopops in late April, as a step painted as a preventative health measure.

But the liquor industry says the figures revealing parental buy-and-supply practices tests the Government's rationale for hiking the RTD tax.

Stephen Riden, from the Distilled Spirits Industry Council of Australia, asked: "If parents are buying, how much impact will a price rise have?

"What we need is to empower parents to talk with their children about sensible drinking."

He called on the Government to launch an education program aimed at parents, not their teenage drinking children.

A spokesperson for Health Minister Nicola Roxon said the issue of parents supplying their children with alcohol was being looked at in "broad terms".

The Council of Australian Governments (COAG) had discussed the issue in March, and the Ministerial Council on Drugs had also recently addressed it.

The drugs council agreed to fast-track a report on how to tackle the problem, and would report back to COAG in July.

The Australian Liquor Stores Association launched a campaign in late May aimed at parents.

The "Don't Buy it For Them" campaign reminds parents and other adults they have a responsibility when considering buying alcohol for underage teenagers.


What stupid farken morons are parents these days!
  Simes_mk2 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Mmmmm always thought very little of the pre mixes, evil evil things that they are, that's what chrome dome drinks  Twisted Evil  especially those smirnoff black ice things (very little vodka in them anyway) always have and always will go the self mixed or barwenched mixed  Twisted EvilTwisted EvilTwisted Evil At least me good mate ruddles agrees  Twisted Evil
  Dodge10 Chief Commissioner

I can brew you 20 LITRES of something approximating the sweetness and flavour of those pre-mixed girlie drinks, and I can crank it up to TEN PER CENT ALCOHOL BY VOLUME.  It'll cost about fifty cents per 250ml bottle.

I think I'm in the wrong game.



EDIT:  That is to say I COULD do it, but I won't, and nor will I post the instructions.
"TheLoadedDog™™"

I bet it tastes like stewed socks!...
Hawkeye Pearce, 4077 MASH unit, Korea.
  Speed Minister for Railways

The tax increase for alcopops, not yet passed by the Senate, has been amended by the House of Representatives because manufacturers are already finding a way to avoid it.

LIQUOR producers creating sweet drinks brewed like beer will be hit with the same tax as alcopops as the Government pleads with the Senate to approve a tax increase.
...
The Government amended the legislation yesterday to crack down on a range of "malternative" products — such as Smirnoff's Platinum — that have hit the market in recent months, aiming to dodge the tax. The drinks are brewed like beer and therefore attract a lower tax than alcopops.

Amendments will mean products will no longer be defined as beer if they contain more than 4 per cent sugar, any artificial sweetener or flavour and must contain hops or bitters comparable to hops.

While drinkers have been paying the 70 per cent tax increase on alcopops since April last year, it must be approved by Parliament before March 19 or the Government faces handing back tax collected.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/sweet-beer-drinks-hit-with-tax-rise-20090225-8hyc.html
  simont141 Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide
The tax increase for alcopops, not yet passed by the Senate, has been amended by the House of Representatives because manufacturers are already finding a way to avoid it.

LIQUOR producers creating sweet drinks brewed like beer will be hit with the same tax as alcopops as the Government pleads with the Senate to approve a tax increase.
...
The Government amended the legislation yesterday to crack down on a range of "malternative" products — such as Smirnoff's Platinum — that have hit the market in recent months, aiming to dodge the tax. The drinks are brewed like beer and therefore attract a lower tax than alcopops.

Amendments will mean products will no longer be defined as beer if they contain more than 4 per cent sugar, any artificial sweetener or flavour and must contain hops or bitters comparable to hops.

While drinkers have been paying the 70 per cent tax increase on alcopops since April last year, it must be approved by Parliament before March 19 or the Government faces handing back tax collected.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/sweet-beer-drinks-hit-with-tax-rise-20090225-8hyc.html
"Speed"


It still doesn't change the fact that you can buy a bag of the green stuff or some ecstasy for as much as a 6-pack of pre-mix drinks; Or a bottle of nasty spirits for $25, or 2 x 5L goon sacks for $14.

I think everything has already been said on here about how stupid the tax is, and how little it will do aside from raising some bucks for the Govt coffers.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
SMH report. Not the response most posters were expecting. Chartreuse, like lots of European stuff, is made by monks so you can think of buying a bottle as like putting some dosh in the plate on Sunday. It was also originally a medicine, so getting sloshed on cough syrup is hardly a new idea either.
  KEG Junior Train Controller

I can brew you 20 LITRES of something approximating the sweetness and flavour of those pre-mixed girlie drinks, and I can crank it up to TEN PER CENT ALCOHOL BY VOLUME.  It'll cost about fifty cents per 250ml bottle.

I think I'm in the wrong game.



EDIT:  That is to say I COULD do it, but I won't, and nor will I post the instructions.
"TheLoadedDog™™"
Why not? There's nothing illegal about brewing in Australia - provided you're not selling it. I'm a home brewer myself, and have made specialty ales up around the 10% mark which have tasted fantastic - not just like cheap rocket fuel.

Distilling is a different matter though... it's illegal to own anything larger than a five-litre still as far as I'm aware, and even then it can only be used for purposes such as making essential oils Laughing
  Speed Minister for Railways

The Liberal Party might have difficulty finding a firm position on carbon-taxes or industrial relations but the political issue that has voters on tenterhooks is whether the alcopop tax will get through the Senate.

It's looking like it may finally do so.
Six of the seven crossbench senators have reached agreement with the Government and will support its controversial alcopops tax.

Greens senator Rachel Siewert announced the agreement in the Senate early this afternoon.

The Government will provide an extra $50 million to tackle the problem of binge drinking through a number of initiatives.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/greens-xenophon-will-back-alcopops-tax-20090317-90kt.html
  simont141 Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide
It's been reported in a few recent articles that consumption of RTD's has decreased since the introduction of this tax (a year ago now?). But I find it ammusing that they never report on the consumption of hard liquor, goon and any other alcohol. I'd love to see if these have increased proportionally (or is that inverse proportionally) with the decrease of the RTD consumption. I'd reckon that all the others would have increased.
  TBP Minister for Railways

Location: Singleton
Give me a KB anyday
Speaking of which haven't had for a few years now, not that it is easy to come by anymore  Sad
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front

It's been reported in a few recent articles that consumption of RTD's has decreased since the introduction of this tax (a year ago now?). But I find it ammusing that they never report on the consumption of hard liquor, goon and any other alcohol.  
"Simon141"
The man's got a point...There is generally now at least one, usually two cartons of Tooheys New somewhere in the KRviator's hangar. At 1.4 standard drinks per stubbie and $33 a carton, I can get just as tanked as drinking Bundy., at half the cost. Though it is not my preferred drink, beer is cheaper and just as potent as the Alcopops.

Of course, now I've said that, we'll all be in the Alcopoop when they slap another dozen taxes on beer. Evil or Very Mad
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Of course, now I've said that, we'll all be in the Alcopoop when they slap another dozen taxes on beer. Evil or Very Mad
"KRviator"


Mmmm, it'll be called an equalisation tax. It will be applied to everything non alcopop and it'll be used to bring the cost of all alcoholic beverages to the same price per unit of alcohol.

Wine makers and drinkers already know all about it, the WET is 29% of wholesale value...
  Speed Minister for Railways

After posting that the bill would get through finally this week, it appears that there's still a chance that the bill won't get through the Senate.
Senator Fielding is refusing to move on his demand to close a loophole that allows alcohol advertising shown during daytime sporting events, despite it being banned for all types of programming before 9pm.

Senator Fielding offered the Government three years to phase out the loophole but the Government is refusing to commit to its abolition. "They haven't got the guts to stand up to the alcohol industry and say `enough is enough!'" "You've hijacked genuine debate about a huge issue ... binge drinking is not a tax issue," Senator Fielding told the Senate.

Greens leader Bob Brown accused Senator Fielding of being unrealistic in his demands to the Government, arguing that if the bill failed there would be nothing extra to combat binge drinking.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/alcopops-tax-looks-doomed-20090318-91o3.html
  simont141 Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide
Bill just got voted down:

"THE Federal Government's alcopops tax has been voted down in the Senate following a second vote.

Just minutes earlier the $1.6 billion tax hike passed the Senate when a Coalition senator missed the vote.

Senator Nigel Scullion said he missed the division because he was holding an impromptu meeting in a stairwell.

A second vote was subsequently allowed.

Labor's legislation was defeated 32 votes to 31 votes with key senator Steve Fielding voting with the Opposition.

The Family First leader held the balance of power after the Greens and independent Nick Xenophon sided with the Government.

Senator Fielding refused to back the 70 per cent tax hike on ready-to-drink alcoholic beverages because the Government wouldn't ban liquor advertising on television during daytime sporting broadcasts. "


Taken from news.com.au
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Excellent, now what is going to happen to the money that I have paid toward this illegal tax? Hmmmm, It'll be rebated back to the producers and NOT the consumers who PAID it!!! Anyone else have a problem with this!  Evil or Very MadEvil or Very Mad
  doridori Chief Commissioner

The Greens calling Family First of being unrealistic ?
That's a tad rich of them Razz

Mind you, is great to see Family First advocating drunken behaviour, by preventing this legislation going through with their unrealistic demands.

Of course, cheaper alcohol, with none of their demands acted upon is only going to improve things, right ?  Rolling Eyes

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