New Car Set FN3 and other V/Line fleet changes

 
  vlinecars V/Man - "Yeah!"

Location: Here, there, everywhere!
N458 transferred PCJ492 following repairs from Newport Workshops to Southern Cross on Monday afternoon

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  Deanodriver Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
N 466 hauled N4+N16 on the 0800 Warrnambool today, the up working was packed departing Warrnambool.

N466 + N 473 hauled the 1800 Geelong. N466 will be utilised on a Special Light loco test tomorrow from Geelong to Warrnambool for signal sighting for the Warrnambool line driver only project.
"SN7"


It seems that N4 and N16 are being used in a lot of services together. They were in Tuesday's 1655 Marshall down.
  SN7 Chief Commissioner

N4+N16 are presently covering the roster that was to be run by Z 57.

As VN15 is now N 15 and does not have power doors it is spare.

As VN 12 is at Newport there is a temporary VN set established FN10+BCZ259.
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
N4+N16 are presently covering the roster that was to be run by Z 57.
"SN7"

N4 is refurb, the other isn''t. How long to a conductor tells passengers that the carriage with blue seats red seats blue seats and blue curtains or red seats and cream curtains are first class only? Laughing

It seems like the ACN of N4 is being used as economy, or the seats are not being turned to the direction of travel. Now that I think of it, the seat colour confusion is a good way to scam at least part of a free ride in first class!
  fullofrubbish Assistant Commissioner

Location: Brunswick
I know that Sunbury passengers on the 1632 can get an economy ride in First-Class, but what about N sets on Bacchus Marsh services? Is the first class open for metcard holders to Melton, or is it restricted to only Bacchus Marsh passengers with first class tickets?
  Deanodriver Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
N4+N16 are presently covering the roster that was to be run by Z 57.
"SN7"

N4 is refurb, the other isn''t. How long to a conductor tells passengers that the carriage with blue seats red seats blue seats and blue curtains or red seats and cream curtains are first class only? Laughing

It seems like the ACN of N4 is being used as economy, or the seats are not being turned to the direction of travel. Now that I think of it, the seat colour confusion is a good way to scam at least part of a free ride in first class!
"wongm"


I was on a service run by those sets today, in an ACN, and even though my ticket was checked, I wasn't asked for an upgrade.

Maybe they're doing it only for the ACN at the end of the train (the one in N16)?
  GD Train Controller

Location: Geelong Vic
seems crazy to use a recently refurbed first class car as economy when you could use the other yet to be refurbed fist class as economy.
Those people paying for first class tend to treat things better.
  SN7 Chief Commissioner

Set Z 57 made ist debut tonight on the 1655 Marshall, the final run for three car N 15 will be in th morning, then off to Newport, for Standard Guage conversion
  G516 Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere at Steamrail
Set Z 57 made ist debut tonight on the 1655 Marshall, the final run for three car N 15 will be in the morning, then off to Newport, for Standard Guage conversion
"SN7"


I saw SZ7 on it's way to Marshall, near North Melbourne.

There's something wrong though, Newport has no SG connection in to the workshops. So are they going to get trucked or railed to Dynon after the works are done and then converted there?
  fullofrubbish Assistant Commissioner

Location: Brunswick
Nice Exclamation  Looking forward to pics
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Could be sent up to Dynon on bg works bogies and then bogie exchanged onto their new sg bogies which will be their old bg ones with new narrower (sg) wheelsets inserted.
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
Set Z 57 made its debut tonight on the 1655 Marshall
"SN7"

It is presently stickered as SZ7 and is all economy class. The current consist is BCZ 257, BS 215, BS 218, BS 216, BS 219, BS 217. Passengers are complaining about the lack of 1st class, in the BCZ the conductor had to explain why the ACN was missing to every bay of seating. The seats don't rotate either.

The BCZ can't be considered a real conductors carriage, just a normal carriage with an extra desk for them. The door from the passenger saloon to the conductors compartment has no lock at all. The external doors at the connie's end has power locks fitted, so they cannot look out of the train when departing the platform. The door lock controls are at the east end as well, not the usual west, because the doors were fitted to it when it was just a conventional carriage.

[img]http://wongm.railgeelong.com/vline-bits/image/500/D834_3498.jpg[/img]

[img]http://wongm.railgeelong.com/vline-bits/image/500/D835_3504.jpg[/img]

There is no room for bikes except for the BCZs wheelchair area. If you added a D van to the consist to cater for bikes it would not fit into the most platforms (except for 7 car long Marshall / South Geelong / Geelong / North Geelong / North Melbourne / SSS).

This morning one of the power doors %$@#$ed up, and after arrival the EDI rail guys were attacking a door stop with a hammer.

Here is the kit fitted:

[img]http://wongm.railgeelong.com/vline-bits/image/500/D835_3506.jpg[/img]

Switches at the west end of a BS car:

[img]http://wongm.railgeelong.com/vline-bits/image/500/D834_3487.jpg[/img]

Indicator lamps at the west end of the corridor:

[img]http://wongm.railgeelong.com/vline-bits/image/500/D834_3484.jpg[/img]

Finally the BCZ rides like a heap of junk, passing through Newport it sounded like the carriage hit the platform, but I think it was just the bogies hunting around and bashing against themselves.

The paintwork is still %#@%ed:

[img]http://wongm.railgeelong.com/vline-bits/image/500/D834_3491.jpg[/img]

I think that is all the faults. The real question is can I be $#@$ed waking up 30 minutes earlier to ride a real train to work? Mr. Green
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
I have kept trying to get a photo, finally got around to it. Some of the non-refurbished Sprinters didn't have luggage corrals in them, so IIRC due to union demands they were fitted a few months back. They received the same seats as the refurbished ones but everything else was left as is.

This is 7006:
[img]http://wongm.railgeelong.com/vline-bits/image/500/D834_3481.jpg[/img]
  vlocity160 V/Gunzel

A bit behind but BRN52 was targeted by graffiti criminals on Sunday night at Swan Hill. Seen going through Sunbury on 8026 on Monday.
  vlocity160 V/Gunzel


It is presently stickered as SZ7 and is all economy class. Passengers are complaining about the lack of 1st class, in the BCZ the conductor had to explain why the ACN was missing to every bay of seating. The seats don't rotate either.
"wongm"
From the V/Line website:

Geelong Line ~ First Class no longer available on 2 services  

25-Mar-2009
Affects the 07:47 from South Geelong and 16:55 to Marshall.

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With immediate effect, the following services will no longer have a First Class carriage and will provide economy seating only:

Monday to Friday

07:47 South Geelong to Southern Cross

16:55 Southern Cross to Marshall



I wander how many people will change services so they can get their first class service.
  Deanodriver Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
I wander how many people will change services so they can get their first class service.
"vlocity160"


Depends on where they're going. Lara or North Geelong/Geelong bound pax maybe, but South Geelong/Marshall/Little River/Corio/North Shore pax would be less likely to change, since the next service doesn't stop at those stations.

That said, I'm of the belief that the 1655 down should terminate at Geelong (still a stopper though), and the 1713 should be extended to Marshall. Meh, I'm sure there's good reasons as to why this isn't the case.

SZ7 is only going to go back to Geelong anyway, the set that does the 1713 down might be more likely to make another up service later on.

By the way, with that BCZ, I can imagine that SZ7 looks even shabbier than it did with the ACN.
  fullofrubbish Assistant Commissioner

Location: Brunswick
What I am most surprised with SZ7 about the fact they did not take the opportunity to repaint the carriages into the new livery, especially considering the condition of BCZ257 anyway!

Is the relivering and refurbing of N sets program still happening now that all sets have power doors? Surely FN5 would be the next canditate to bring the set into the same livery, or is there another set  out there (bar the ones tipped for SG) which needs a lick of paint more  Twisted Evil
  Deanodriver Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
What I am most surprised with SZ7 about the fact they did not take the opportunity to repaint the carriages into the new livery, especially considering the condition of BCZ257 anyway!

Is the relivering and refurbing of N sets program still happening now that all sets have power doors? Surely FN5 would be the next canditate to bring the set into the same livery, or is there another set  out there (bar the ones tipped for SG) which needs a lick of paint more  Twisted Evil
"fullofrubbish"


I'd imagine that the N sets would still be refurbed, although I guess their priority is to build the SG N sets before refurbishing the remaining BG N sets.

I imagine they only converted the BS cars to power doors because the budget was already allocated for this. Chances are once sufficient rollingstock is freed up (by new trains or electrification of Sunbury/Melton) to replace this service, the BS cars would return to retirement. Not really worth spending the money on a refurb if the train's only going to last a few more years. I'd even imagine that some of the H cars will be retired sooner rather than later.
  Coils Junior Train Controller

Location: Victoria
Information suggests that of the three standard gauge car sets, the first should be available around the beginning of September with the second towards the end of November. The final set is expected in January. It has been said that the refurbished cars which will feature a new air-conditioning sysyem of around twice the capacity of the existing arrangements. The first set completed will be released to traffic on broad gauge and the second may be similar. All this depends upon standard gauge locomotives, track, station and new maintenance facility availability. Should one or more car set return to traffic in BG they would be withdrawn at the last practical minute to have the wheels etc changed to SG before service commencement.

A document has been seen that indicates ARTC intended to have the SG ready for passenger traffic by 19 Sept. Some kind of penalties come into effect from 1 December which co-incidentially would be one year from closure of the broad. If Victorian car sets will not be available until Nov at the earliest then the new service could be sometime in December or early January perhaps. Still a lot of water to flow under the bridge.
  alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

Location:
Anyone have any details on what the SG sets will contain? Will they be the same as BG N sets or will they be different in some way?
  Deanodriver Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
Anyone have any details on what the SG sets will contain? Will they be the same as BG N sets or will they be different in some way?
"alstom_888m"


I believe they're to be comprised solely of N cars (ie: no BZN/BTN), and there may be an extra car which has been modified for disabled access.

No idea on seating layout (if they're putting in 2x2 VLocity seats or whatever), etc.

Hopefully they've improved the button operated sliding doors in the carriages (at least by equipping them with a sensor so they don't shut when someone is standing in the doorway).
  SN7 Chief Commissioner

Set Z 57 labelled SZ7 has given  a lot of trouble and I believe that there will be some changes made and repairs effected.

There is no room for bikes on its runs so 1 x BS car will be forwarded to Newport to have the former toilet area removed and used for bike space.


Car BCZ257 also requires door mods, so that the conductor can have the van door open whilst departing the train as well as the van to saloon door requires a lock,  as fitted to N sets.

I believe there will be a few consist alterations made to facilitate this work being performed.
  hotdogpants1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Here.
Saw SH31 at Newport today. No repaint as of yet.
  Deanodriver Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
Set Z 57 labelled SZ7 has given  a lot of trouble and I believe that there will be some changes made and repairs effected.

There is no room for bikes on its runs so 1 x BS car will be forwarded to Newport to have the former toilet area removed and used for bike space.


Car BCZ257 also requires door mods, so that the conductor can have the van door open whilst departing the train as well as the van to saloon door requires a lock,  as fitted to N sets.

I believe there will be a few consist alterations made to facilitate this work being performed.
"SN7"


Would it even be worth taking another of the BS cars and modifying it further for the conductor's compartment taking up one of the former toilet areas (making it a BCS car)? That is if they find the area in BCZ257 too small.

Or, they could just add a van to the consist and only run it on services that stop at stations with long enough platforms (or remove one BS car and run it as VZ7). I know that when I took the service (mainly the down service), you wouldn't need to have eight people in every compartment, six seemed the norm.
  SN7 Chief Commissioner

SH 30 was outshopped ex refurbishment last thursday, set SH31 replaced it at Newport.

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