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62440
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:14 pm
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NSW-Acacia Ridge track upgrade begins
By Rob McKay
Work has started on a significant upgrade of the rail line between the New South Wales border and the Brisbane intermodal hub Acacia Ridge.
The $55.8 million project, funded under the Federal Government’s Economic Stimulus Plan, will replace existing timber sleepers with 105,000 new concrete sleepers.
The project will create 120 jobs.
As well as the replacement of sleepers, the project will also involve the provision of narrow gauge access from Acacia Ridge to Bromelton and from Bromelton to Glenapp as well as the conversion of existing loops to dual gauge track.
Source: Lloyd’s List Daily Commercial News – www.lloydslistdcn.com.au
Spotted this on a news site, any suggestions what traffic is anticipated other than great rides behind steam.
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:28 pm
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Well, Bromelton makes sense for the proposed intermodal facility there, but I can't think of any reason to dual gauge as far as Glenapp. Its not like Rathdowney is a thriving metropolis in need of a QR service.
Farewell everyone. I'm done with Railpage Australia™.
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cootanee
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:21 pm
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When this was originally proposed it was conditional on ARTC getting control over the SG line from QR – has this finally come thru 
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Colhad
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:21 pm
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Would love to see it happen, what chance would there be of electrifying the line and using at as a suburban line or probably more outer suburban.
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Stepto
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:14 pm
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Most of you will hear this from me first!
The dual gauge conversion of the current Standard gauge track from Bromelton will only be for the use of Freight traffic in relation to the in-land rail line, coming across from Toowoomba! The stuff will arrive on SG wagons and may be trans-shipped, in a not yet constructed rail yard, to NG wagons to go to Nth QLD.
This does not include the proposed passenger services from QR NG, as they will be on a totally separate constructed NG track in 15 to 20 years time that will service the Beaudesert region, branching off where the NG freight does now for Acacia Ridge!
| Colhad wrote: | | what chance would there be of electrifying the line and using at as a suburban line or probably more outer suburban. |
The new passenger line (15 to 20 years away) will be electrified or will be constructed in accordance with what ever NG passenger train propulsion technology is available at that time?
Last edited by Stepto on Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:25 pm; edited 1 time in total
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maddog
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Stepto
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:33 pm
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| maddog wrote: |  PN/PNQ freight terminal ? |
The rumor is there is already a large tract of land on the eastern side of Bromelton that is designated for PN.
Also at Larapinta, there is Confirmed land ownership by QR for the possible intentional purpose for a rail freight terminal!
Here is STOCK MARKET tip for everyone that understands - PURGA! (Do your own research!)
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Graham4405
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:08 pm
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| Stepto wrote: | | Also at Larapinta, there is Confirmed land ownership by QR for the possible intentional purpose for a rail freight terminal! |
I thought the NIMBYs put paid to that one some time back?
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Stepto
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:11 am
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| Graham4405 wrote: | | I thought the NIMBYs put paid to that one some time back? |
Wasn't my picture of the DG points at the Brisbane end of Bromelton excellent?
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62440
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:00 am
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From memory, there are a number of projects. The southern freight line from west of Rosewood will come this way taking westbound NG freight out of the metro network. The Inland Route will one day come down the range in SG and follow the same line in DG. This would be double stack. The passenger line serving future towns will be electrified and a separate track in the same corridor. Drawings I have seen have flyovers separating the freight and pax services. In any case, overhead wiring and double stack are incompatible. I can't see freight facilities within 60 km of Bris considering withdrawal of the like elsewhere in the system. DG to Bromelton makes sense, the initial comment was on the extension to Glenapp, I'm putting my hand up for the first steam train to go on that line.
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colinw_mk2
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:19 am
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| Colhad wrote: | | Would love to see it happen, what chance would there be of electrifying the line and using at as a suburban line or probably more outer suburban. |
I really hope they don't, unless it is by building a parallel line or duplication and bidirectional signalling.
We don't want to add Brisbane suburban congestion to the south of Acacia Ridge to the problems with interstate freight. Getting out of Sydney / Newcastle is bad enough already without us blocking up the northern end of the line with tin cans.
I am absolutely in favour of a suburban service to Browns Plains / Greenbank, and an interurban service to Flagstone or Beaudesert, but it has to be done in such a manner that the freight traffic is unimpeded.
Farewell everyone. I'm done with Railpage Australia™.
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:32 am
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| 62440 wrote: | From memory, there are a number of projects. The southern freight line from west of Rosewood will come this way taking westbound NG freight out of the metro network. The Inland Route will one day come down the range in SG and follow the same line in DG. This would be double stack. The passenger line serving future towns will be electrified and a separate track in the same corridor. Drawings I have seen have flyovers separating the freight and pax services. In any case, overhead wiring and double stack are incompatible. I can't see freight facilities within 60 km of Bris considering withdrawal of the like elsewhere in the system. DG to Bromelton makes sense, the initial comment was on the extension to Glenapp, I'm putting my hand up for the first steam train to go on that line.
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It is true that double stack could not run under the current QR electrification where the standard clearances for catenary are 5 metres above rail level in suburban area and 5.2 metres on the mainline.
However, it is not true in the general case that electrification precludes double stack. Double stack runs under the wires in China, India and in a couple of limited cases in the US. To do so, the catenary must be set a lot higher - 7.4 metres is one figure I've seen - implying much longer reach pantographs. BNSF in the US are reported to be considering mainline electrification at present, which would be designed to cater for double stack. It is also likely that the proposed Caltrain electrification running south from San Francisco would have to be designed to cope with double stack freight.
So, not impossible, but would require significant changes to the current standard for the overhead line equipment and modifications to rollingstock.
cheers,
Colin
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:37 am
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| Graham4405 wrote: | | Stepto wrote: | | Also at Larapinta, there is Confirmed land ownership by QR for the possible intentional purpose for a rail freight terminal! |
I thought the NIMBYs put paid to that one some time back? |
That's the thing about NIMBYS.
They protest, this, that and everything, but invariably seem to live in big fat houses with a huge environmental footprint, drive gas guzzler large vehicles, and generally make heavy use of the infrastructure already existing that was once built in someone else's backyard.
Farewell everyone. I'm done with Railpage Australia™.
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RTT_Rules
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:49 am
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| colinw_mk2 wrote: | | Graham4405 wrote: | | Stepto wrote: | | Also at Larapinta, there is Confirmed land ownership by QR for the possible intentional purpose for a rail freight terminal! |
I thought the NIMBYs put paid to that one some time back? |
That's the thing about NIMBYS.
They protest, this, that and everything, but invariably seem to live in big fat houses with a huge environmental footprint, drive gas guzzler large vehicles, and generally make heavy use of the infrastructure already existing that was once built in someone else's backyard. |
Yep, the SW corner of Brisbane is the main furture growth area. Look at Sydney SW for good example of 20-30years in the future get over it or move out.
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