New Car Set FN3 and other V/Line fleet changes

 
  SwanstonTrain Train Controller

I saw A66 last night at SCS attached to the old liveried PCJ492.  Regardless what people think of the new A-class livery, it's great to see an A-class done up like new, instead of looking like a relic of the past.
"RATLSNAKE"


It is good to see an  A class in the new livery.  I saw it at Southern Cross yesterday and I don't think it looks as bold as it does in the photographs.

I also saw the newly refurbished PH454 in its grey and white livery.  Interestingly the recently refurbished PCJ493 is in a livery very similar to passenger cars.

I often wonder why locos and some power vans are not painted in the same livery as the passenger cars.  This leads to a wide array of colour schemes and a mismatch of liveries in a consist.

It will be interesting to see what the P class locos look like in the new livery.

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  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
I am truly shocked to see VSH22 is still going around in first generation red/blue VLP colours in 2010. I suppose it's no different from the treatment they had back in their late electric days, the stripe remained intact but they were in all shades of blue with rust everywhere even then.
"Heihachi_73"
Could be worse.  Could be the early 1990's and still having locomotives unpainted after nigh-on 20 years...
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

The reason why the PCJ and PH Powervans were painted in a simplified VLP livery distinctly different to the passenger cars was so they could be distinguished easily from D and DH vans in station yards. As the D and DH vans are largely or not used now, the reason for having a different livery no longer applies.
  SN7 Chief Commissioner

Powervan PH454 (rebuild from DN404 - renumbered from DH404) entered service yesterday on the 1752 Bacchus Marsh.

Carriage BZN 271 has been removed from set FN 1 - and will spend the next few months as a "loose car" similar to BCZ259.
It should eventually find a home in place of BTN253 in set FN 11, with BTN 253 becoming a "Loose Car"

Car BS215 was removed from Set Z 57 also today,  and will spend the holidays also as a loose car, today it was the 6th car on the 1325 Bairnsdale.

The 3 N cars ex FN 1 will go to Newport early in the New Year for overhaul as part of the final SG set.

SN 15 -PCJ493  is not yet in service, and should be joined by the second eventual SG set SN 16 early in the new year, and Powervan PCJ491 should return from rebuild at Ballarat around the same time .

With earlier reports of increased consists on The Overland, three silver cars will compliment the set over the holidays a BG Sitter , CDF Holiday Class buffet - Lounge - Diner - and a HM van with the total consist being 14 vehicles. The train will be terminating and originating at North Shore as due to Standard Gauge Trackwork, this christmas period.
  Deanodriver Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
Car BS215 was removed from Set Z 57 also today,  and will spend the holidays also as a loose car, today it was the 6th car on the 1325 Bairnsdale.

With earlier reports of increased consists on The Overland, three silver cars will compliment the set over the holidays a BG Sitter , CDF Holiday Class buffet - Lounge - Diner - and a HM van with the total consist being 14 vehicles. The train will be terminating and originating at North Shore as due to Standard Gauge Trackwork, this christmas period.
"SN7"


I didn't notice SZ7 was missing a carriage, and I was on it today too.

Wait, if eight car trains and motorail are originating/terminating at North Shore, how are they going to manage with the short platform at that station? The SG platform at North Shore is shorter than the BG VLP platforms.
  VRfan Moderator

Location: In front of my computer :-p

With earlier reports of increased consists on The Overland, three silver cars will compliment the set over the holidays a BG Sitter , CDF Holiday Class buffet - Lounge - Diner - and a HM van with the total consist being 14 vehicles. The train will be terminating and originating at North Shore as due to Standard Gauge Trackwork, this christmas period.
"SN7"


Do you know how long this consist will be running? Might be worth getting a shot of a decent length Overland!
  J-C Chief Commissioner

Location: Victoria
If anyones is near the swanhill ine keep an eye out on the Swanhill pass today it's an eight car set apprently!
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Nowhere near the 'swanhill ine' today, however I did talk to the conductor who travelled on the 2 N Class, 8 car down Warrnambool this Christmas morning, who reported 800 pax on departure from SXS and 400 on arrival at Warrnambool.

400 detrained at Geelong.

The 17:05 up this afternoon's Warrnambool was so crowded that upon arrival at Werribee around 80 got off and travelled on the empty 3 car Comeng set that followed us.

Mike.
  Kooka Train Controller

This question is a bit of topic, but its related to V/Line.

I was wondering if anyone thought about the P Class being named after cities of Victoria or rural areas. Like the N Classes for example. I have a list with all the P's below on some of the regional or suburban towns that they could be named after. Some are current or past passenger stations/freight.

P11: Sydenham? Due to daily services run by the P's.  
P12: Sunbury? Due to daily services run by the P's.  
P13: Seymour? Because of short regional service.
P14: Bacchus Marsh? Usual V/Line daily services down Bacchus Marsh way.
P15: Melton? Usual V/Line daily services down Bacchus Marsh way.
P16: Korumburra? This P ran many times on the pass and freight on the former commercial line.
P17: Caulfield? Footy specials, passes and freight services.
P18: Leongatha? Due to it ran the last pass in 1993 and ran on many V/Line passes that way.
P19: Gisborne? Due to when P's run the Bendigo pass.  
P20: Werribee? Because of the Football specials on the Geelong line.  
P21: Maryvale? Because P's run on the freight occasionally and P21 is a freight loco now.
P22: Webb Dock? P22 was the first official train to run on the line in 1986. It also was the last with P12 in 1996.
P23: Lara? Because of the Football specials on the Geelong line.

Other possibles.

Little River, Corio, Kyneton, Koo Wee Rup(Closed), Lang Lang(Closed & Sand Freight from Koala Siding - AGM Siding), Spotswood(Suburban & Closed Sand Freight from Koala Siding - AGM Siding), Richmond (Suburban), Craigieburn (Suburban), Dandenong (Suburban), Tallarook, Broadford, Kilmore, North Geelong, Cranbourne*(Suburban, former regional), Wandong, Ballan?

You can comment on this, edit it or come up with any suggestions. I would like to see P's named after towns like the N Classes are.
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Kooka I think its not a bad idea with names on the P class  Very Happy

But perhaps a mod needs to split this to a new thread for you.
Additionally, you could perhaps add a poll with it, for people to vote on that idea, or if the mod was nice enough, they could explain to you how to do it, or just put that in for you. Question

Just a thought......

My personal opinion is that names would suit the V/Line locos, but not the PN ones, regardless of their usage before privatisation. The Melbourne PN guys may even like the idea, who knows - just don't hold your breath with the company is all I'm saying.


Regards
  Kooka Train Controller

Kooka I think its not a bad idea with names on the P class  Very Happy

But perhaps a mod needs to split this to a new thread for you.
Additionally, you could perhaps add a poll with it, for people to vote on that idea, or if the mod was nice enough, they could explain to you how to do it, or just put that in for you. Question

Just a thought......

My personal opinion is that names would suit the V/Line locos, but not the PN ones, regardless of their usage before privatisation. The Melbourne PN guys may even like the idea, who knows - just don't hold your breath with the company is all I'm saying.


Regards
"davesvline"


Fair enough.
  Somebody in the WWW Banned

Location: Banned
If a company were to start naming their locomotives now it would be part of a PR exercise to improve their branding and promote their services.. not to please railfans.

Hence they might do it to note their flagship train series to a destination (which those things WERE in the 1980s, definitely not now) and not to name after places on disused lines they went on.

If they announced they were naming a train the "Town of Koo Wee Rup" or the "Shire of Leongatha" what would the public think?
  Kooka Train Controller

If a company were to start naming their locomotives now it would be part of a PR exercise to improve their branding and promote their services.. not to please railfans.

Hence they might do it to note their flagship train series to a destination (which those things WERE in the 1980s, definitely not now) and not to name after places on disused lines they went on.

If they announced they were naming a train the "Town of Koo Wee Rup" or the "Shire of Leongatha" what would the public think?
"Somebody in the WWW"


I was thinking about P18 being named after Leongatha because it ran the last pass in 1993. It was also a common loco on the pass.
  fullofrubbish Assistant Commissioner

Location: Brunswick
Spotted BS215 on the back on FN13 around 1600 on Saturday at Nth Melbourne (midday up Albury service I think)
  SN7 Chief Commissioner

Van PCJ 492 has more than likely run its last BG trip as a powervan, its engine is to be removed and the engineless van will be taken to Ballarat soon, which means rebuilt PCJ491 will be outshopped soon as well.

Carriage BZN271 was reunited with FN1 today, although failed after 1 trip and was replaced by BCZ259.

The full configuration of VN 4 should be re assembled soon as well when faulty car BZN266 is returned from Newport.

Carriage BS 215 was placed back in Set Z 57 on 4/1 following holiday travels to Shepparton, Swan Hill, Warrnambool and Bairnsdale.

Sprinter 7021 ex repaint at Seymour shall be forwarded to Newport today for internal refurbishment.

Last week for 1 day repainted set VSH 28 - PH454 and loco A 66 teamed up together for a revenue run.

PH454 is now temporarily attached to set VN 12 - which has  power supply problems.
  SN7 Chief Commissioner

Car set SN 16 (4 cars only) went for a shakedown trial Newport - Geelong - Newport last Friday, with delivery being imminent, wich will se set FN9 shopped for exam and the three N cars ex FN 1 shopped for SG rebuild.

Powervan PCJ 492 is now cactus, awaiting delivery of PCJ 491 ex Ballarat, should have its remaining engine removed and be swapped over with 491 at Ballarat sometime this week, more than likely as  special transfer run by El Z.

BZN 266 has been returned to its set VN 4 following wiring repairs.
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
Initially carriage ACN 24 was the only carriage to have a door between the conductor and luggage areas, it was never applied to other cars:

[img]http://wongm.railgeelong.com/vline-bits/image/500/D898_9854.jpg[/img]


I noticed the other week that ACN 45 (in set SN15) had received a door in the same spot, I have been told that all ACNs in the SG sets will be receiving this modification.
  Campaspe Junior Train Controller

Hello Wongm,

When did ACN 24 have the door between the guards compartment and the luggage area fitted?

Thanks
  SN7 Chief Commissioner

The three N cars off FN 1 have been forwarded to Newport Workshops for  repairs following aircon failure, and will more than likely remain for SG conversion, leaving BZN 271 again as a loose carriage.

Powervan PCJ 492 has been delivered to Ballarat for upgrade, and PCJ491 is completed and awaiting transfer then commisioning with SN16 set.

Set SN 15 and PCJ 493 shall finally enter service within the next week hopefully, on Broad Guage runs.

Set FN9 shall then be forwarded to Newport for exams.

3VL20 was delivered ex Bombardier today.

This leaves only 3VL19 of the current order to be completed, then 3VL42 shall be delivered.

7020 is out of service awaiting repairs - test runs etc as are 7002 and 7018.
  Deanodriver Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
Is 3VL19 at Bombardier now?

Also, TM cars have been delivered on average monthly. Would I be right in saying the new 3VLs would be delivered on average once every three months?
  SN7 Chief Commissioner

3VL19 is at Bombardier now, and progress is speeding up on 3VL42 & VL43, which should appear in  a "New Livery".

Van PCJ491 should be transferred ex Ballarat Shops by a V/Line N class on Saturday, and SN 16 should also be outshopped from Newport.

This should allow sets SN15+PCJ493 and SN 16 + PCJ491 to enter broad guage revenue services mid next week.

Loco N 452 following collision repairs and repaint should return to service next week as well.

Set VN 12 has had defective AGS and has run with a PH powervan for about the last month.
  EL60 Chief Commissioner

Location: left
since the last post

N452 reentered service back in January in the cheeseburger livery,P11 went in N452 spot in the paint both early febuary then reentered service early March to become the 1st P class in the new livery. SN16 reentered a couple days later after SN15 came out.
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
SN15 and SN16 both entered service on January 27? Their usual runs are the down Morning Warrnambool, and the afternoon Swan Hill run?



Notice in the door of the BDN carriage of set SN16 - as car 'C' it has less seats than a BN carriage in other sets, so seat reservations are out of whack
[img]http://railgallery.wongm.com/vline-bits/image/595/E103_0104.jpg[/img]

P11, first of the class to be repainted in the new V/Line livery (March 30, 2010)
[img]http://railgallery.wongm.com/vline-locos/image/595/E103_6444.jpg[/img]

N462 with a SN set runs through Yarraville on the up Warrnambool
[img]http://railgallery.wongm.com/vline-melbourne/image/595/E103_4922.jpg[/img]

Power van PCJ492 now attached to set SN1, which has only 4 of 5 cars in the consist (May 16, 2010)
[img]http://railgallery.wongm.com/vline-melbourne/image/595/E104_1898.jpg[/img]
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
Um, I forgot a bit - N467 transferred refurbished power van PCJ 491 from Ballarat on January 23, 2010:
http://railgallery.wongm.com/pcj-transfer-january-2010/

VL07 trails a Ballarat bound pass through Bank Box
[img]http://railgallery.wongm.com/pcj-transfer-january-2010/image/595/E102_6375.jpg[/img]

Headed through the Parwan Curves, clouds of dust in the air as I just beat the train! I forgot an N class can do 115 km/h because it has TPWS, not 80 km/h every other loco hauled transfer does.
[img]http://railgallery.wongm.com/pcj-transfer-january-2010/image/595/E102_6397.jpg[/img]
  SN7 Chief Commissioner

A bit of an update on V/Line carriage stock, Set VN18 is no longer required as a five car set and car BTN 254 has been removed, to become a spare car, although it will not see service as such for a few days a it has wheel flats and is off to the lathe.

Car set VLH 32 is under refurbishment - G exam

Carriage BZN 262 (part of FN3) has been out of service at Newport for over two months awaiting bogies - Frame cracks??

Carriage BZN 271 ( now part of FN 11 - formerly part of FN 1 ) is at Newport for G exam - refurbishment

Car set SN 1 is awaiting carriage BN19 to be attached and is in service as 4 cars.  (ACN 3 - BRN53- BDN50 - BN 2)

Car BTN 264 is replacing car BZN 271 on FN 11 temporarily.
Car BTN 251 is replacing car BZN262  on FN3 temporarily.

Car set FN5 is also at Newport for exam.

Loose cars available - not permanently attached to sets are now BCZ259, BTN251, BTN254 & BTN 264.

Several Sprinters have also been in the woes - ongoing braking faults etc, 7020 has been out of service since December 2009.
7005 is under refurbishment, leaving 7004 the only unit to be refurbished.

7014/7015/7017 are all out of service.

Loco N 454 is under ICC overhaul & repaint.

Locos A 60 (Collision damage) , A 62 , P 11, P 14 , P 18 , N 457  & , N 462 & N 469 all also out of action for various reasons.

Vlocitys have been rotated backwards & forwards between Melbourne and the factory at Dandenong for minor modifications, VL 11 being there presently.

Construction continues on 3VL42 & VL00.

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