North East Line to Standard Gauge

 
  richiebogie Chief Train Controller

Here is a pic of the new SG and DG concrete sleepers in the new passing lane near Jacana / Glenroy. If you recall, the old timber sleepers on the old BG side were in pretty bad repair before this upgrade which the ARTC website says occurred late last year over 4 days.



Re Edit: Thanks Loco (below). I uploaded the image to facebook with my iphone, but there was no way I could get the direct properties of the image. The iphone can be a bit frustrating.

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  Loco Administrator Railpage 2 Developer

Location: Melbourne
richiebogie

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Regards,
Lionel.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Re Broadmeadows Station- Locating the standard gauge platform to run along the back of platform 2 and turning that platform into an island platform was the preferred option.   However, someone in their wisdom years ago decided that it would be a great place to locate what was at that time the world's largest fibre optic cable there instead.   Accordingly the current location was selected instead on the basis that a future second track can be fitted through the area and not disrupt the fibre optic cable, which would cost millions to relocate.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
richiebogie

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Regards,
Lionel.
"Loco"


Could we please have some pics of the DG turnouts, which are the really interesting part?

Discussions on other threads have highlighted the problem that our BG and SG are too similar (6.5 inches) to allow DG track, let alone  DG turnouts, to work properly. In the 1910's or so, the Brennan Patent DG turnouts were demonstrated at Tocumwal, but it all came to a complete and absolutely total nothing, and the experimental DG tracks were ripped up.
  steamfreak Assistant Commissioner

Location: Wodonga, VIC
I noticed today that the railway crossing signs and flashing lights on the Wodonga - Bandiana branch have now been removed, and fences erected across the line in some places.
  DalyWaters Chief Commissioner

Re Broadmeadows Station- Locating the standard gauge platform to run along the back of platform 2 and turning that platform into an island platform was the preferred option. However, someone in their wisdom years ago decided that it would be a great place to locate what was at that time the world's largest fibre optic cable there instead.


Thanks for that, Trainplanner.

Horrible compromise though, isn't it?

Makes me think the island platform for gauge change would have been better off at Craigieburn, where a brand new platform was being built anyway, especially for the long term.
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Re Broadmeadows Station- Locating the standard gauge platform to run along the back of platform 2 and turning that platform into an island platform was the preferred option. However, someone in their wisdom years ago decided that it would be a great place to locate what was at that time the world's largest fibre optic cable there instead.


Thanks for that, Trainplanner.

Horrible compromise though, isn't it?

Makes me think the island platform for gauge change would have been better off at Craigieburn, where a brand new platform was being built anyway, especially for the long term.
"DalyWaters"


Now that is possibly the best suggestion yet, and it takes Interstate rail  Passengers away from Broadmeadow's station, which last time I looked was inhabited mainly by druggies and other undesireables. The Sg side of the line is an old housing commission area, and unless something dramatic, like a few bull dozers have been used to clean up this place, I guess it can only have got worse.
Hopefully Craigeburn has not fallen to those depths just yet.

When I lived at Dallas for a few years, I would never ever have walked home through the subway at Broadmeadow's, usually we walked up Pascoevale Road and crossed the lines near Blair Street. At least it was open up there and we could see what was going on.
Cheers
Rod
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Re Broadmeadows Station- Locating the standard gauge platform to run along the back of platform 2 and turning that platform into an island platform was the preferred option.   However, someone in their wisdom years ago decided that it would be a great place to locate what was at that time the world's largest fibre optic cable there instead.   Accordingly the current location was selected instead on the basis that a future second track can be fitted through the area and not disrupt the fibre optic cable, which would cost millions to relocate.
"Trainplanner"


Funny thing, I just was speaking with a mate who tells me that Tullamarine gets all its Avgas from a Victorian Railways pipeline that links Newport with Somerton Fuel storages. The Victorian Railways owned pipeline runs Brooklyn Loop to Albion Loop to Somerton.
Those pipes are also buried beside the SG line at Broadmeadow's, we believe.
This pipelline has gentle curves and is designed to run various liquids through it.
They can isolate the pipe and access it at both ends. When they want to change from Avgas to diesel, they insert a moving plug which separates the two fuels.
When the plug gets to Somerton, they are warned, open and close valves and divert the second product to the appropriate tank, for storage.
We believe a second pipeline runs to Tullamarine direct.
This Somerton facility was a pilot plant. Somerton was going to be the Northern metroploitan fuel distribution point, taking all large fuel tankers off the road, and in particular reducing fuel tankers from the CBD.
A large rail siding was going to service Albury, Wangaratta, Benalla, seymour, Shepparton, Tocumwal Bendigo Swan Hill and by road to Mildura and places West.
Of course The transport lobby won the day, and now I believe the facility at Somerton runs about 25% capacity servicing only Tullamarine.
Cheers
Rod
  steamfreak Assistant Commissioner

Location: Wodonga, VIC
A couple of shots from Wodonga yesterday:
http://pics.steamfreak.com/thumbnails.php?album=206

Station Car Park:
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Station construction and platform area:
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  tranzitjim Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
Re Broadmeadows Station- Locating the standard gauge platform to run along the back of platform 2 and turning that platform into an island platform was the preferred option.   However, someone in their wisdom years ago decided that it would be a great place to locate what was at that time the world's largest fibre optic cable there instead.   Accordingly the current location was selected instead on the basis that a future second track can be fitted through the area and not disrupt the fibre optic cable, which would cost millions to relocate.
"Trainplanner"


Funny thing, I just was speaking with a mate who tells me that Tullamarine gets all its Avgas from a Victorian Railways pipeline that links Newport with Somerton Fuel storages. The Victorian Railways owned pipeline runs Brooklyn Loop to Albion Loop to Somerton.
Those pipes are also buried beside the SG line at Broadmeadow's, we believe.
This pipelline has gentle curves and is designed to run various liquids through it.
They can isolate the pipe and access it at both ends. When they want to change from Avgas to diesel, they insert a moving plug which separates the two fuels.
When the plug gets to Somerton, they are warned, open and close valves and divert the second product to the appropriate tank, for storage.
We believe a second pipeline runs to Tullamarine direct.
This Somerton facility was a pilot plant. Somerton was going to be the Northern metroploitan fuel distribution point, taking all large fuel tankers off the road, and in particular reducing fuel tankers from the CBD.
A large rail siding was going to service Albury, Wangaratta, Benalla, seymour, Shepparton, Tocumwal Bendigo Swan Hill and by road to Mildura and places West.
Of course The transport lobby won the day, and now I believe the facility at Somerton runs about 25% capacity servicing only Tullamarine.
Cheers
Rod
"comtrain"


I would love more information about this.

Can someone provide me with links to more information?
  712M Chief Commissioner

Re Broadmeadows Station- Locating the standard gauge platform to run along the back of platform 2 and turning that platform into an island platform was the preferred option. However, someone in their wisdom years ago decided that it would be a great place to locate what was at that time the world's largest fibre optic cable there instead.


Thanks for that, Trainplanner.

Horrible compromise though, isn't it?

Makes me think the island platform for gauge change would have been better off at Craigieburn, where a brand new platform was being built anyway, especially for the long term.
"DalyWaters"


At Craigieburn, trains can depart from either platforms 1 or 2, requiring customers to cross the railway line if the Metro train is on platform 2. Having Broadmeadows as the interchange would be a better option as citybound trains (with the exception of a few peak hour trains) depart from the existing platform 1, so customers only have to walk across the platform.
  richiebogie Chief Train Controller

At Craigieburn, trains can depart from either platforms 1 or 2, requiring customers to cross the railway line if the Metro train is on platform 2.
"712M"


I think that only the west platform has been electrified so far.
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Re Broadmeadows Station- Locating the standard gauge platform to run along the back of platform 2 and turning that platform into an island platform was the preferred option. However, someone in their wisdom years ago decided that it would be a great place to locate what was at that time the world's largest fibre optic cable there instead.


Thanks for that, Trainplanner.

Horrible compromise though, isn't it?

Makes me think the island platform for gauge change would have been better off at Craigieburn, where a brand new platform was being built anyway, especially for the long term.
"DalyWaters"


At Craigieburn, trains can depart from either platforms 1 or 2, requiring customers to cross the railway line if the Metro train is on platform 2. Having Broadmeadows as the interchange would be a better option as city bound trains (with the exception of a few peak hour trains) depart from the existing platform 1, so customers only have to walk across the platform.
"712M"


eh? what? Platform 1 is a single sided platform with a shopping centre attached. All suburban trains USED to stop on Platform 1, with only some peak services starting and finishing on platform 2. And of course all UP Country services.
I believe that with through double line electric services now running to Craigerburn, both platforms are now used. Plat 1 as a down and Platform 2 as an Up. I await correction, if wrong.
That means that the third platform is also a single sided platform.
And I presume as the bus stop is near Plat 3 and serviced by the subway, that that is how people will use the complex. Proceed 200 meters from the bus via the subway to the station office on Platform 1, then return the 200 meters back to the bus stop to wait their train on platform 3 in a tiny little bus shelter that can seat 4? Of course if you didn't value your luggage you could leave it on Plat 3 as you visit the office? Smile
No way will you wait in the subway in the rain. Melbourne knows all about rain ;o) So people will dash back to Platform 3 from the shelter at Platform 1. Good one DOT!
Cheers
Rod
  Somebody in the WWW Banned

Location: Banned
Craigieburn would be a useless location because it'd only be convenient for about two outer suburbs and nothing else.

Say what you like about the affluence of Broady but it's also at crossroads with the Western Ring Road and more easily accessible from a lot of the northern suburbs & also the airport by car or public transport. Craigieburn sits about 10km further north in a relatively narrow corridor of suburbs mainly west of the railway.

Broady isn't that scary anyway.. the other one might be a better location for a platform if the only purpose is to connect with suburban trains but it's not. You might find people with bags and stuff would be more likely to catch a cab or be driven there than use a spark or bus anyway.
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Craigieburn would be a useless location because it'd only be convenient for about two outer suburbs and nothing else.

Say what you like about the affluence of Broady but it's also at crossroads with the Western Ring Road and more easily accessible from a lot of the northern suburbs & also the airport by car or public transport. Craigieburn sits about 10km further north in a relatively narrow corridor of suburbs mainly west of the railway.

Broady isn't that scary anyway.. the other one might be a better location for a platform if the only purpose is to connect with suburban trains but it's not. You might find people with bags and stuff would be more likely to catch a cab or be driven there than use a spark or bus anyway.
"Somebody in the WWW"


Actually to tell it like it is,  I don't think anybody will be using it anyway  Wink
I think it is a waste of money. Travelling between rail and airport, simply will not happen. Cheap fast airbus to Southern Cross is the better option, and you can wait in a dry comfortable place with luggage points to get rid of your luggage, and shops and restaurants to keep you amused whilst you wait your train  Very Happy
The same for the ring road and the Northern Suburbs, access the airport yeah that will happen, but access Broadmeadows for a train, don't think so.
However if they built Broadmeadows like Box Hill and extended the shopping centre over the top, it could be a useful place, but definitely not as it is, just a useless gesture Sad
Cheers
Rod
  Shacks Ghanzel

Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter
Re Broadmeadows Station- Locating the standard gauge platform to run along the back of platform 2 and turning that platform into an island platform was the preferred option.   However, someone in their wisdom years ago decided that it would be a great place to locate what was at that time the world's largest fibre optic cable there instead.   Accordingly the current location was selected instead on the basis that a future second track can be fitted through the area and not disrupt the fibre optic cable, which would cost millions to relocate.
"Trainplanner"


Funny thing, I just was speaking with a mate who tells me that Tullamarine gets all its Avgas from a Victorian Railways pipeline that links Newport with Somerton Fuel storages. The Victorian Railways owned pipeline runs Brooklyn Loop to Albion Loop to Somerton.
Those pipes are also buried beside the SG line at Broadmeadow's, we believe.
This pipelline has gentle curves and is designed to run various liquids through it.
They can isolate the pipe and access it at both ends. When they want to change from Avgas to diesel, they insert a moving plug which separates the two fuels.
When the plug gets to Somerton, they are warned, open and close valves and divert the second product to the appropriate tank, for storage.
We believe a second pipeline runs to Tullamarine direct.
This Somerton facility was a pilot plant. Somerton was going to be the Northern metroploitan fuel distribution point, taking all large fuel tankers off the road, and in particular reducing fuel tankers from the CBD.
A large rail siding was going to service Albury, Wangaratta, Benalla, seymour, Shepparton, Tocumwal Bendigo Swan Hill and by road to Mildura and places West.
Of course The transport lobby won the day, and now I believe the facility at Somerton runs about 25% capacity servicing only Tullamarine.
Cheers
Rod
"comtrain"


I would love more information about this.

Can someone provide me with links to more information?
"tranzitjim"


The Aviation fuel line is a separate one to the VR fuel line. The Aviation Turbine Fuel line runs from Geelong to Tulla and follows the train line, I don't know exactly to where but. At Altona there is a 2nd pipe line for Avgas fuel line that ends up at Essondon.
  fast01 BUTTSCRATCHER!

Location: Somewhere your not.
Comtrain is correct in saying there is an avgas line from Somerton to Tulla, but I never knew of the line beside the rail line through Broadmeadows, however, it makes sense with the warning signage at various points along the route.

Cheers for the info Comtrain. Smile
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Re Broadmeadows Station- Locating the standard gauge platform to run along the back of platform 2 and turning that platform into an island platform was the preferred option.   However, someone in their wisdom years ago decided that it would be a great place to locate what was at that time the world's largest fibre optic cable there instead.   Accordingly the current location was selected instead on the basis that a future second track can be fitted through the area and not disrupt the fibre optic cable, which would cost millions to relocate.
"Trainplanner"


Funny thing, I just was speaking with a mate who tells me that Tullamarine gets all its Avgas from a Victorian Railways pipeline that links Newport with Somerton Fuel storages. The Victorian Railways owned pipeline runs Brooklyn Loop to Albion Loop to Somerton.
Those pipes are also buried beside the SG line at Broadmeadow's, we believe.
This pipelline has gentle curves and is designed to run various liquids through it.
They can isolate the pipe and access it at both ends. When they want to change from Avgas to diesel, they insert a moving plug which separates the two fuels.
When the plug gets to Somerton, they are warned, open and close valves and divert the second product to the appropriate tank, for storage.
We believe a second pipeline runs to Tullamarine direct.
This Somerton facility was a pilot plant. Somerton was going to be the Northern metroploitan fuel distribution point, taking all large fuel tankers off the road, and in particular reducing fuel tankers from the CBD.
A large rail siding was going to service Albury, Wangaratta, Benalla, seymour, Shepparton, Tocumwal Bendigo Swan Hill and by road to Mildura and places West.
Of course The transport lobby won the day, and now I believe the facility at Somerton runs about 25% capacity servicing only Tullamarine.
Cheers
Rod
"comtrain"


I would love more information about this.

Can someone provide me with links to more information?
"tranzitjim"


The Aviation fuel line is a separate one to the VR fuel line. The Aviation Turbine Fuel line runs from Geelong to Tulla and follows the train line, I don't know exactly to where but. At Altona there is a 2nd pipe line for Avgas fuel line that ends up at Essondon.
"Shacks"



Don't think so!  Laughing
Not a lot to be found with Google but did find this...

Somerton Pipeline

   Acquisition date: August 2004

   Funds which hold an interest: Colonial First State Wholesale Infrastructure Income Fund

   Investment description:
   The Fund has a 50% interest in CM Somerton Pty Limited, which in turn has a 25% interest in the Somerton Pipeline Joint Venture.

   Somerton Pipeline transports aviation fuel 25 kilometres from the Altona Refinery to the Somerton Depot before being sent to Melbourne’s Tullamarine Airport.

   The pipeline network provides over 85% of aviation fuel to Tullamarine Airport.
"Colonial First State Wholesale Infrastructure Income Fund "


MELBOURNE AIRPORT RAIL LINK DEVELOPMENT PLAN
where an airport rail service via Albion loop.......
any works proposed to protect or relocate the jet fule pipeline owned by the Somerton Pipeline Participants


Cheers
Rod
  Shacks Ghanzel

Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter
Avtur is NOT refined at Altona, Avgas is.
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
Avtur is NOT refined at Altona, Avgas is.
"Shacks"


Avtur is at the cinema's at the moment...  Laughing
  cookie930 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Spencer Street Station (Not SCS)
Just want to clear up a few points here as my father had previously worked for Shell and wanted to add this about the Somerton Fuel Storage Facility.

-The pipeline runs from Altona to Somerton along the railway easement leased from Victrack.
-The line is owned by AMP and used by Mobil and Shell.
-It is dedicated to transferring Jet A1 fuel only for use at Tullamarine .
-There is no pipeline to Essendon, all of their fuel is delivered by road.
-There was never any intention of using Somerton for anything else but the intermediate storage of Jet A1 fuel.
-There are 2 pipelines running up from Shell Geelong to Shell Newport, in which they transfer all finished products up to Melbourne.
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Just want to clear up a few points here as my father had previously worked for Shell and wanted to add this about the Somerton Fuel Storage Facility.

-The pipeline runs from Altona to Somerton along the railway easement leased from Victrack.
-The line is owned by AMP and used by Mobil and Shell.
-It is dedicated to transferring Jet A1 fuel only for use at Tullamarine .
-There is no pipeline to Essendon, all of their fuel is delivered by road.
-There was never any intention of using Somerton for anything else but the intermediate storage of Jet A1 fuel.
-There are 2 pipelines running up from Shell Geelong to Shell Newport, in which they transfer all finished products up to Melbourne.
"cookie930"


Would be nice if someone could come up with the original announcements from yesteryear, that itemised what the Governments intentions were.
However my own digging about shows that Colonial only bought into it relatively recently.
The pipeline was originally owned by a consortium headed by a new Government body called VR pipelines or something similar.
The Government was at the time having troubles with exploding fuel tankers . One near Mount Eliza on a hill beside the beach was particularly alarming people.

I am positive that the announcement was published in the inhouse VR magazine and the newspapers and it was touted as as another business arm of VicRail. I am also positive that it was supposed to be much bigger and was going to be the Northern Fuel Terminal for Melbourne.
Soon after it was finished and up and running, the drivers union was told that the plant would not be expanded to general petroleum product.

That is what we were told. Ask your Dad if he remembers the Sales Manager of Shell Northern  suburbs (80'and 90's) initials WK.? After rationalisation He worked until early retirement under the West Gate bridge in a Shell facility, name escapes me though.
Cheers
Rod
  michinyon Chief Commissioner

I wouldnt have thought there was much demand for avgas at Tullamarine airport.
  gy Junior Train Controller

May I join this off topic dicussion.
Avgas is really high octane petrol for piston engined planes and it would have been surprising to Me if there was a dedicated pipeline to Essendon.
Avtur in the majority of cases is piped directly to an Airport because of the volumes required dailey. Not every plane refuels but if you consider a Jumbo can carry around 100 tons or 100,000 litres ( S.G. not taken into account) you do not need many to refuel before the volumes required are high justifying the capital cost.
Transferring different petroleum products along the same line is very common . To separate the products one method is to launch a "pig" between them at the start of the transfer. These pigs can be quite sophisticated and measure the wall thickness of the line and clean off the build up internaaly as they progress along.
Another method when transferring is to put say avtur behind a diesel transfer and provided the movement does not stop mixing  will only occur for a couple of meters and at the receiving end they watch the specific gravity change to indicate the arrival of the different product. Then after say two hundred cubic meters of flow the product will have changed and can be put to the relivant tank.
Avtur is an easy one as it only lowers the specific gravty of the diesel, lowers the flash point and lowers the cloud point, no negitive effect on the engine. Avtur is purposely mixed for diesel going to mountain areas. That is why you do not by summer diesel and keep it for your winter  trip to Mt. Bulla as you run the risk of your fuel starting to wax up and block your fuel filter, engine stops.
In America thet winterise their Loco's. by removeing the fuel filters for the cold months, the trade off in engine wear is they run and make money.
Enough said as this thread is about Railways and NE standard gauge.
PTE.
  steamfreak Assistant Commissioner

Location: Wodonga, VIC
Just saw that the big Liebherr 280t crane that has been working on the Wodonga Rail Bypass has been dismantled and is being loaded onto trucks.  I guess all the heavy lifting is done!

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