Wahroonga's Fig Trees to go this weekend

 
  nadnerbster Deputy Commissioner

Location: Profundo en la Mierda
Three fig trees on Wahroonga's platform to be cut down this weekend, the other two at a future date. If you want photos of Wahroonga station with trees, today's your last chance.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw-act/must-go-these-much-loved-trees-a-threat-to-public-transport/story-e6freuzi-1225878167355

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  42209 Chief Commissioner

Location: Always running.
It will be a shame to see these trees go as they make Wahroonga look like a station that you actually want to be waiting for a train at.
  davo_1620 Chief Commissioner

Location: Nearest bottle shop or pub.
Yes, it makes sense that the trees should go, as they do create a "trip hazard" and the travelling public should be protected from their own behaviour, and not being aware of their surroundings.
After all, safety is paramount.
Naturally of course following the removal of these dangerous and hazardous trees, Wahroonga station should also be closed, as there are quite a few numerous, and dangerous, steps to be negotiated.
Following after the station has been "made safe" by closing it, the footpaths around that location should also be cordoned off, as there is the presence of gutters, which are a high risk trip hazard to the unwary.
Now we are all very safe, we can all take our cars to work.
As we all know, the roads are the safest place to be.
What a sad excuse of a country we are becoming, so called "safety" is killing our culture, and identity, quicker than all that rot called music, and art, from certain impoverished slums of inner city USA.
  nadnerbster Deputy Commissioner

Location: Profundo en la Mierda
From what I recall of earlier reports, they are moreton bay figs, and they don't just represent a trip hazard. Falling branches are also an issue.

Moreover, I wouldn't downplay trip hazards. Yes, people should be aware of their surroundings, but on the other side of it, people have a responsibility for the safety of others. And we're human - people make mistakes. Seeing as we have people interacting with 400 tonne trains at this location, the less hazards, the better.

The steps are different - they're regular, people expect them, they don't change, they are built to code. The same can't be said of tree roots - the nature of the trip hazard changes, it can be unexpected, people simply may not see the cracks for a myraid of reasons - like not having good eyesight, common affliction.

It will be a pity to see them go - Wahroonga was my local station from '93 to '99. But the only constant is change, as they say - we can't save everything.

If you want to complain, complain about the thousands of trees that are cut down to install high-rise apartments. And the numerous places in the northwest and southwest that have lost a hundred square kilometres of farm and forest land to low density housing. 5 trees isn't much in the scheme of things and we're only hearing about this due to the rich and influential people that live on the north shore (in the same way that Dick Smith only complains about development on the 'shore, and is mysteriously quiet about all the units that have popped up around Wentworthville, Pendle Hill, Seven Hills, Blacktown, etc etc etc
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
we're only hearing about this due to the rich and influential people that live on the north shore (in the same way that Dick Smith only complains about development on the 'shore, and is mysteriously quiet about all the units that have popped up around Wentworthville, Pendle Hill, Seven Hills, Blacktown, etc etc etc
"nadnerbster"


But if they don't build units out there, where will all the poor people live? Surely you don't expect us to have property prices lowered because they are too lazy to get off their bums and get a job as CEO of Broken and Useless Pty Ltd, and spend all their time working hard at embezzeling? They'll just park their smeg Datsuns in the spot where my Porsche, and teach my children how to steal things and spray paint!

No, we don't want those dirty poor people ruining the North Shore!
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
For the most part when it comes to things like this, I confess to being an impractical romantic.

But in this case.....about goddamn time.
  VSetFan Chief Train Controller

Location: Onboard DJM 8137 on a Foggy Morning, Blue Mountains
They'll just park their smeg Datsuns in the spot where my Porsche, and teach my children how to steal things and spray paint!

No, we don't want those dirty poor people ruining the North Shore!
"Raichase"


Not all people that live in the Western suburbs are dirty, in fact as a percentage, people near Hornsby and further North are much more worse.

Its always people there that are ruining trains (especially interurbans; notice how interurbans on the western line are always cleaner and less vandalised than the ones on the central coast), and vandalising my car...

The North is not as good as a lot of people claim it to be...  Idea
  42101 Banned

Location: Banned
They'll just park their smeg Datsuns in the spot where my Porsche, and teach my children how to steal things and spray paint!

No, we don't want those dirty poor people ruining the North Shore!
"Raichase"


Not all people that live in the Western suburbs are dirty, in fact as a percentage, people near Hornsby and further North are much more worse.

Its always people there that are ruining trains (especially interurbans; notice how interurbans on the western line are always cleaner and less vandalised than the ones on the central coast), and vandalising my car...

The North is not as good as a lot of people claim it to be...  Idea
"VSetFan"


You want to think Rolling Eyes  before you post having a go at Trent...he was using that thing called SARCASM...he knows full well how things are as he travels ALL over the Cityrail system.
  VSetFan Chief Train Controller

Location: Onboard DJM 8137 on a Foggy Morning, Blue Mountains
You want to think Rolling Eyes  before you post having a go at Trent...he was using that thing called SARCASM...he knows full well how things are as he travels ALL over the Cityrail system.
"42101"


It wasn't having a go at him, it was suggesting an idea... Nowhere in my post was there anything to suggest I was angry. Sarcasm is not always easily to detect on the internet Idea

How about we calm down please?  Wink [/i]
  Rails Chief Commissioner


Its always people there that are ruining trains (especially interurbans; notice how interurbans on the western line are always cleaner and less vandalised than the ones on the central coast), and vandalising my car...

The North is not as good as a lot of people claim it to be...  Idea
"VSetFan"


Its a question I have thought about before, is there particular areas that are worse for train vandalism than others? I assume Cityrail would have some figures so they could target certain areas but it would be hard to track I would think with all lines running from one end of Sydney to the other and beyond.

So you reckon the worst area for train vandalism is the Gordon/ Turramurra/ Wahroonga up to Hornsby region and the Central Coast?  In my experience it was the Bankstown and inner west trains that seem to cop it the worst. Then the Richmond trains. Anyone have any links with official figures?
  stupid_girl Assistant Commissioner

Its always people there that are ruining trains (especially interurbans; notice how interurbans on the western line are always cleaner and less vandalised than the ones on the central coast), and vandalising my car...
"VSetFan"

As far as I know, intercity V sets are not assigned to a particular line.

An interurban to Blue Mountains may have just finished a run from Newcastle and vice versa.
  VSetFan Chief Train Controller

Location: Onboard DJM 8137 on a Foggy Morning, Blue Mountains

Its always people there that are ruining trains (especially interurbans; notice how interurbans on the western line are always cleaner and less vandalised than the ones on the central coast), and vandalising my car...

The North is not as good as a lot of people claim it to be...  Idea
"VSetFan"


Its a question I have thought about before, is there particular areas that are worse for train vandalism than others? I assume Cityrail would have some figures so they could target certain areas but it would be hard to track I would think with all lines running from one end of Sydney to the other and beyond.

So you reckon the worst area for train vandalism is the Gordon/ Turramurra/ Wahroonga up to Hornsby region and the Central Coast?  In my experience it was the Bankstown and inner west trains that seem to cop it the worst. Then the Richmond trains. Anyone have any links with official figures?
"Rails"


Anything North of Hornsby in my opinion... Richmond is quite bad unfortunately, you see K's coming to the CBD covered in fresh paint!

>Once my friend noticed a guy leaning on the wall of a tangara in an expensive suit. Little did he know that he was leaning against freshly painted pink grafitti!

Called the transit cops and told them (At Town Hall) and they did the usual cracker on their walkie talkies and thanked me - I hope something was done to catch the rat... Wink
  Blackadder Chief Commissioner

Location: Not the ECRL
From my experiences, Hornsby-Berowra seems no better or no worse than other areas for vandalism.

As for the OT, the trees at Wahroonga are sadly too much of a hazard in a increasingly litgatious society.
  railbuff100 Banned

Location: Banned
Of a night time you get a lot of problems out west and down sutho way but of course people who work 9 to 5 dont see the smeg that the staff have to deal with at like 1am in the morning when some person takes a dump between cars 6 and 7 on a k set and this train came from out west.
Oh dont forget the fires that they love to try and start in the last car ie   richmond line and penrith.
At least the people on the northern line and north shore 9 times out of 10 are more behaved than the trash you deal with out west.
Shelly
  42101 Banned

Location: Banned
Of a night time you get a lot of problems out west and down sutho way but of course people who work 9 to 5 dont see the smeg that the staff have to deal with at like 1am in the morning when some person takes a dump between cars 6 and 7 on a k set and this train came from out west.
Oh dont forget the fires that they love to try and start in the last car ie   richmond line and penrith.
At least the people on the northern line and north shore 9 times out of 10 are more behaved than the trash you deal with out west.
Shelly
"railbuff100"


Or the trash that try to dob their drivers and other workmates in to management to further themselves.
  42101 Banned

Location: Banned
Of a night time you get a lot of problems out west and down sutho way but of course people who work 9 to 5 dont see the smeg that the staff have to deal with at like 1am in the morning when some person takes a dump between cars 6 and 7 on a k set and this train came from out west.
Oh dont forget the fires that they love to try and start in the last car ie   richmond line and penrith.
At least the people on the northern line and north shore 9 times out of 10 are more behaved than the trash you deal with out west.
Shelly
"railbuff100"


Hey andrew taiby
you been banned twice yet you still come back to cause trouble for RC staff eh.
  nadnerbster Deputy Commissioner

Location: Profundo en la Mierda
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/06/12/2925459.htm

5 people protested on the platform, one person sitting on tree root refusing to move until the plan to chop the trees is rescinded . . .

Have you hugged a tree today?[/url]
  42101 Banned

Location: Banned
Yeah they put up a massive protest too  LaughingLaughingLaughing

We will stay here until RC comes to their senses (or words to that effect)...3 cops rock up and politely say hello ladies if you do not move we will have to arrest you...2 middle age blue rinse and pearls twits then get up and leave  to the applause of their upper class twat mates.

Yeah like i said some protest. Rolling EyesRolling EyesLaughingLaughing
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
I wonder which part of the media paid them to do it........
  Inspector Chief Commissioner

Location: Gone to - I don't know..............
Indeed, which part of the media? It's not as if this has been suddenly sprung upon the good people of Wahroonga - The trees have been slated for removal for several years now.
  nadnerbster Deputy Commissioner

Location: Profundo en la Mierda
More sob stories . . .


Unkindest cut for historic north shore fig trees
PETER HAWKINS
June 13, 2010

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/unkindest-cut-for-historic-north-shore-fig-trees-20100612-y4jr.html
ANGRY residents could only watch as three historic fig trees were chopped down by RailCorp on Sydney's upper north shore yesterday.

Workers with chainsaws felled the 100-year-old trees at Wahroonga

station despite pleas from residents and a report asking for alternative measures to be investigated.

RailCorp said the trees had to be removed so the platform could be properly resurfaced and the roots did not cause further structural damage.

But a tree management plan commissioned by the heritage branch of NSW Planning said that, given the heritage significance of the trees and their amenity value, ''consideration should be given to their retention''.

The report's author, Andrew Morton, asked for the installation of root control barriers to be investigated and tested to stop pavement damage.

Among those campaigning for the trees' preservation was NSW Opposition Leader and state member for the area Barry O'Farrell.

But NSW Premier Kristina supported their removal, claiming the damage caused by the roots was a hazard for people pushing prams and those in wheelchairs.

Two other trees on the station platform will be cut down in October. All will be replaced by new trees and plants.

Ian Burt, who has lived in Wahroonga for 40 years, said the lack of pruning over the past 20 years was to blame for the damage.

''It is disgraceful they are chopping them down,'' he said. ''If they had continued to trim the branches, the roots would never have come up.''
"smh.com.au"


Perhaps the new trees and plants put in their place could be more suitable to urban environments. The old figs may be pretty, but they're well known for their destructive root system.
  Inspector Chief Commissioner

Location: Gone to - I don't know..............

Perhaps the new trees and plants put in their place could be more suitable to urban environments. The old figs may be pretty, but they're well known for their destructive root system.
"nadnerbster"


I believe that that is the plan. As an aside, I do find the attitude of the Wahroonga residents to be hypocritical in the extreme - on the one hand, they bewail what they see as RailCorp's wastefulness and poverty of soul, while on the other hand, they would have had no hesitation whatsoever in suing RailCorp for negligence if any of them had tripped over a tree root, fell, and hurt themselves.  Evil or Very Mad
  Kamz Assistant Commissioner

Typical North Shore attitude.

I remember not that long ago, RailCorp removed the massive tree from High Street station. How many complaints? Zero!

Westies have got bigger issues to deal with.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
The North is not as good as a lot of people claim it to be...  Idea
"VSetFan"


Psst. That was tounge in cheek Wink
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Figs smig- Plently more where they came from  Rolling EyesRolling Eyes

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