QR Train Servicing Center for Hexham

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jumboman44211 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Depot No. 20

Today's Newcastle Herald has Sartor to decide on a new QR depot on Haxham Wetlands.
http://theherald.yourguide.com.au/news/local/general/rail-precinct-to-create-1230-jobs/1102970.html

 
MrNathan Chief Commissioner

Location: In and out.

Today's Newcastle Herald has Sartor to decide on a new QR depot on Haxham Wetlands.
http://theherald.yourguide.com.au/news/local/general/rail-precinct-to-create-1230-jobs/1102970.html/quote

Sounds very interesting, the word "Hexrail" springs to mind? I wonder how sympathetic this proposal will be to the wealth of Railway Archaeology and History this site has?

- jumboman44211
 
Syd3642 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney

Today's Newcastle Herald has Sartor to decide on a new QR depot on Haxham Wetlands.
http://theherald.yourguide.com.au/news/local/general/rail-precinct-to-create-1230-jobs/1102970.html/quote

Sounds very interesting, the word "Hexrail" springs to mind? I wonder how sympathetic this proposal will be to the wealth of Railway Archaeology and History this site has?

- jumboman44211

Corporate Giants sympathetic Laughing  They will just say 'We don't care' to us.'We want our money and we want it now). The only way we could stop this is by railway societies/ museums to fight back.

Hexham has many historical stuff and history as Nathan said.

- MrNathan
 
M636C Minister for Railways

Today's Newcastle Herald has Sartor to decide on a new QR depot on Haxham Wetlands.
http://theherald.yourguide.com.au/news/local/general/rail-precinct-to-create-1230-jobs/1102970.html/quote

Sounds very interesting, the word "Hexrail" springs to mind? I wonder how sympathetic this proposal will be to the wealth of Railway Archaeology and History this site has?

- jumboman44211

I think they tried earlier to get a site North East of the main line in the swamp between Beresfield and Thornton but this was stopped by local residents scared of the noise.

There aren't local residents close enough at Hexham to cause much trouble (if anything can be heard over the roar of traffic using the Hexham bridges and Maitland Road.)

I wouldn't think that there was much left of the old J & A Brown site that could be usefully conserved, and since much of that was aligned with the Brown line (almost at right angles to the main line), not much of that site would be affected (except for the exchange sidings, which were changed dramatically in the 1960s anyway).

M636C

- MrNathan
 
42101 Banned

Location: Banned

Once again Sartor changes the status of land to suit what he wants,say goodbye to any heritage items that cannot be easily moved. Evil or Very Mad

 
flying_donkey Chief Commissioner

Location: Well, at the moment, right here!

Once again Sartor changes the status of land to suit what he wants,say goodbye to any heritage items that cannot be easily moved. Evil or Very Mad

- 42101



Pardon my ignorance Greg, but what heritage items and where? The way I read the article, QRN wants the old exchange sidings land, and from what I can see from Google Earth (and also from when i've worked trains past this site) there is nothing left except for a few piles of dirt and plenty of mozzies.

 
42101 Banned

Location: Banned

Flying Donkey Thanks mate going by above posts i assumed EmbarassedRolling Eyes that there was still some heritage left there.......my bad.

Cheers for correcting me. Very Happy

 
MrNathan Chief Commissioner

Location: In and out.

Today's Newcastle Herald has Sartor to decide on a new QR depot on Haxham Wetlands.
http://theherald.yourguide.com.au/news/local/general/rail-precinct-to-create-1230-jobs/1102970.html/quote

Sounds very interesting, the word "Hexrail" springs to mind? I wonder how sympathetic this proposal will be to the wealth of Railway Archaeology and History this site has?

- jumboman44211

I think they tried earlier to get a site North East of the main line in the swamp between Beresfield and Thornton but this was stopped by local residents scared of the noise.

There aren't local residents close enough at Hexham to cause much trouble (if anything can be heard over the roar of traffic using the Hexham bridges and Maitland Road.)

I wouldn't think that there was much left of the old J & A Brown site that could be usefully conserved, and since much of that was aligned with the Brown line (almost at right angles to the main line), not much of that site would be affected (except for the exchange sidings, which were changed dramatically in the 1960s anyway).

M636C

- MrNathan

There is still some trackage, many of the structures have been removed in the last few years. I recall the "Hexrail" proposal that also included preserving parts of the site as heritage and restoration of the former Brown's line to Minmi Junction.

- M636C
 
flying_donkey Chief Commissioner

Location: Well, at the moment, right here!

I wasn't correcting you mate, I know less about it than you do... Very Happy

 
Shed_Rat Train Controller

Location: 'A' Shop - Swindon Works

The area of the former Coal & Allied coal washery at Hexham has been floated around for a loco servcing facility since the orignial "Power by the Hour" contract for the 82/90 classes, it was one of 2 short listed sites (the other being on Kooragang Island. This proposal was mainly for the former washery site (dating from the 1950's) which was totaly demolished in the late 1980's.

This would have covered the location of Coal & Allied sidings (washery unloading sidings for ex govt mainline traffic), the ballon loop (both dating from 1973) as well as the portion of Brown's Siding (exchange sidings) closest to the main line. By the mid 1990's the only buildings left were the burnt out control cabin, the gutted remains of the bath house, some non descript sheds at the wagon repair area & remains of the car park 'carports' made from ex non air wagon woodwork & the remains of the loco bunkering bin/conveyor. Of these the most 'historical' would be the control cabin dating from the early 1900's.

 
edison Chief Commissioner

In return for granting development approval at the Hexham site, it could be made a condition that the JABAS line be restored at least to Stockrington colliery site (suitable size culverts were left under the last stage of the F3 for this purpose) and perhaps further towards Richmond Main.

I still hold a forlorn hope of travelling behind an ROD from Hexham to Weston.

Oink, flap, oink, flap.  There goes another one.

 
Riccardo Minister for Railways

Location: Gone. Don't bother PMing here.

This is the RVR we are talking about, who haven't yet managed to get from Pelaw Main to the SMR main line. And when they get there, the other track could be used to keep them off the same track as the lightly used Pelton coalie track.

I would love to see the track from Weston to Hexham via Richmond Main restored, and I don't think it is impossible given the goals kicked by other preservation groups eg Zig Zag, Puffing Billy or Pichi Richi - but those Novocastrians, all 500,000 of them or so, need to get started.

Until then, I wouldn't blackmail QR into doing something Novocastrians clearly haven't shown any interest in themselves. Exhibit B is the Toronto line.

 
SL66 Chief Train Controller

Location: Northbound on the Main South

Care is needed when planning any development in the Hexham area due to the susceptibility to flooding. It has always been the case when driving along the New England Highway from Newcastle to view the 1954 flood levels on the telegraph poles. When C&A built the Washery they made sure that it could withstand another flood of this size. Consequentely the land has been built up considerably and with all of the use over the decades can be considered to be well compacted. This looks like a smart move by QR.

The sad thing is that I have identified an interesting photo location in the area and it looks as though it may be lost to the development.

 
TBP Minister for Railways

Location: Singleton

There is still some trackage, many of the structures have been removed in the last few years. I recall the "Hexrail" proposal that also included preserving parts of the site as heritage and restoration of the former Brown's line to Minmi Junction.

- A user

The brick building there looks to have been damaged by fire some years ago.

Shame the old loco shed went Sad

 
flying_donkey Chief Commissioner

Location: Well, at the moment, right here!

Long End posted this link in the Operators forum.

QRNational  have submitted plans to the department of planning to build a train support facility ,intermodal freight precinct and industrial subdivision on a 120 hectare block at hexam

heres the link read on
http://www.planning.nsw.gov.au/asp/pdf/07_0171_hexam_redevt_prelimasst.pdf/quote

Very interesting indeed.

- long end
 
Junction box Deputy Commissioner

Location: newy

Nothing interferes with the up and down coal lines, it would be interesting to hear ARTCs response to the proposal, I think QR want it there because they can get the land cheap.

 
flying_donkey Chief Commissioner

Location: Well, at the moment, right here!

...it would be interesting to hear ARTCs response to the proposal...

- Junction box

Taken from the letter to the Department of Planning:

Following an approach from QRNational, I have provided this letter as an endorsement of the ("ARTC") position in relation to the proposed development of a train fuelling and servicing facility at Hexham, to support an expansion of it's Hunter valley coal train operations.

- ARTC Hunter Valley Operations Manager

I take it ARTC would welcome the increased competition, and with QRN building their own service centre instead of paying to use PN's facilities, their market share (and fleet size) will definately grow.

 
jumboman44211 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Depot No. 20

Today's Newcastle Herald has Sartor to decide on a new QR depot on Haxham Wetlands.
http://theherald.yourguide.com.au/news/local/general/rail-precinct-to-create-1230-jobs/1102970.html/quote

Sounds very interesting, the word "Hexrail" springs to mind? I wonder how sympathetic this proposal will be to the wealth of Railway Archaeology and History this site has?

- jumboman44211

I think they tried earlier to get a site North East of the main line in the swamp between Beresfield and Thornton but this was stopped by local residents scared of the noise.

There aren't local residents close enough at Hexham to cause much trouble (if anything can be heard over the roar of traffic using the Hexham bridges and Maitland Road.)

I wouldn't think that there was much left of the old J & A Brown site that could be usefully conserved, and since much of that was aligned with the Brown line (almost at right angles to the main line), not much of that site would be affected (except for the exchange sidings, which were changed dramatically in the 1960s anyway).

M636C

- MrNathan

There is still some trackage, many of the structures have been removed in the last few years. I recall the "Hexrail" proposal that also included preserving parts of the site as heritage and restoration of the former Brown's line to Minmi Junction.

- M636C

Mr Nathan, here's a couple from my archives........March, '77....4843 and 4817 loading on the Hexham Baloon Loop..

- MrNathan
 
bruce Chief Commissioner

Location: Newcastle

Nothing interferes with the up and down coal lines, it would be interesting to hear ARTCs response to the proposal, I think QR want it there because they can get the land cheap.

- Junction box

I remember when a Greenie I was working with on the fight to save the Newcastle CBD line say some markings plots of land marked out without labeling on the aerial photos with the Sandgate overpass sketched out on them, and was off on wild speculations about what terrible, polluting activity would be located in those plots of land.

Hexham on a previously used site is handy because they can claim its already degraded land ... as well as the NIMBY factor being reduced by the fact that most people's back yards are across the highway from there.

However, if it were no more expensive than alternate locations further east and no more a problem with environmental clearances and NIMBY fights, it would still be an attractive location, because of the lingering possibility of a Hexham bypass at some uncertain point in the future. Not something you'd actually spend any large amount of extra money on, but something they might keep in mind as a tie-breaker.

 
M636C Minister for Railways



I take it ARTC would welcome the increased competition, and with QRN building their own service centre instead of paying to use PN's facilities, their market share (and fleet size) will definitely grow.

- flying_donkey

I don't believe QRN (or really Interail who run the coal trains) use any PN facilities.

A refuelling point was established at Kooragang Island for the 5000 class next to but on the opposite side of the departure roads from the EDI workshops.

While EDI service the PN locomotives at Kooragang Island and elsewhere, they operate the facilities and could presumably service the Interail/QRN locomotives if asked.

In fact, the 5000 class are serviced at the UGL (Goninan) plant in Broadmeadow.

Interail now have their admin offices in Kooragang Island just up the road from the EDI workshops.

But a proper "running shed" at Hexham would help now there are twelve 5000 class in service with more expected in future.

M636C

 
M636C Minister for Railways

Nothing interferes with the up and down coal lines, it would be interesting to hear ARTCs response to the proposal, I think QR want it there because they can get the land cheap.

- Junction box

I remember when a Greenie I was working with on the fight to save the Newcastle CBD line say some markings plots of land marked out without labeling on the aerial photos with the Sandgate overpass sketched out on them, and was off on wild speculations about what terrible, polluting activity would be located in those plots of land.

Hexham on a previously used site is handy because they can claim its already degraded land ... as well as the NIMBY factor being reduced by the fact that most people's back yards are across the highway from there.

However, if it were no more expensive than alternate locations further east and no more a problem with environmental clearances and NIMBY fights, it would still be an attractive location, because of the lingering possibility of a Hexham bypass at some uncertain point in the future. Not something you'd actually spend any large amount of extra money on, but something they might keep in mind as a tie-breaker.

- bruce

Hexham Bypass.....?

Do you mean the freeway extension which my street directory shows running just west of the swamp parallel to the old JAB line.

M636C

 
mikado5910 Train Controller

Location: Kurri Kurri NSW

I think Bruce is referring to the Fassifern-Hexham freight line proposal.

The site has been identified for industrial development ever since Sticpewich proposed a conatiner terminal at the location not long after he bought the land from Coal and Allied. I'm not sure whether he still owns the land and QRN are leasing, or whether he disposed of it.

The proposal certainly fits the Lower Hunter Regional Strategy, which means there shouldn't be any objections from Sartor and the Department.

 
BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney

Yes that location would be a handy distance away from DMUcastle .

 
korowa Station Staff

Location: Newcastle

. This proposal was mainly for the former washery site (dating from the 1950's) which was totaly demolished in the late 1980's.

- Shed_Rat



I vaguely remember the coal washer beside Hexham Bridge. It was on the right hand side, if one is travelling north.

But I can't remember the rail line. I gather it must have ran underneath Hexham Bridge (beside Old Maitland Road).. the line must have ran adjacent to the Oak dairy factory (on the eastern side) and then crossed the New England Highway. I don't know.

i tried to find some pictures of the C&A washery @ Heaxham with Google.. but there is nothing.

Then again the clearance may have been too low for rail trucks

Note this pic of Old Maitland Road, underneath Hexham Bridge.
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/environment/images/heritage/4301049b9.jpg

Does anyone remember the actual route of the Hexham Wharf siding?

cheers

 
KRviator - Moderator Moderator

Location: Up the front

We don't really need a 2.5 year old thread being revived when there's not any meaningful information to be added.

 

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