Just wandering when all the A class are made redundant what will happen to them?
Future of V/Line's A class
RogersM
Locomotive Fireman
42101
Banned
Location: Banned
Just wandering when all the A class are made redundant what will happen to them?
Dog food cans.
thekingoffoxes
Chief Train Controller
How much can you buy one for?
Nightfire
Minister for Railways
Location: Gippsland
A66 put In a fine performance on the way down to South Geelong this afternoon
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All run around and ready to set back Into the Queenscliff line stub to let an up Marshall through
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All run around and ready to set back Into the Queenscliff line stub to let an up Marshall through
Sir Thomas Bent
Minister for Railways
Location: Banned
My bet is El Zorro. (This is, of course, sheer speculation and has no basis in fact. And given this site, I'm not too sure if the qualification is a tautology...Just wandering when all the A class are made redundant what will happen to them?
Dog food cans.
AclassGunzel
Deputy Commissioner
I'd say that they are on their way out as a passenger loco with VLP but I'm sure freight operators would be more than interested in them. Considering that they are taking away A class allocated runs as each new vlocity is introduced they would be disappearing sooner rather than later. I cannot envisage them being allocated on other pass services with the surplus of N's but I could be wrong. When the Sunbury & Geelong runs are changed as mentioned that will only leave the 1645 Bacchus Marsh commuter which I'm sure is earmarked for an N or velocity in the not too distant future.
Hopefully someone in the know can advise further!
Hopefully someone in the know can advise further!
Galron
Chief Commissioner
Location: Werribee, Vic
remember that 3 N's will soon be on SG. Having a "spare" loco like an A would be useful to rotate as N's go in for maintenance. Not sure how many N's would normally be out of service though. might be able to be covered from that stock.
others are likaly right, with a freight destination very possibly. They are basically an N without the hep after all.
others are likaly right, with a freight destination very possibly. They are basically an N without the hep after all.
Deanodriver
Chief Train Controller
Location: Melbourne
Likely preservation for A60, perhaps?
GD
Train Controller
Location: Geelong Vic
remember that 3 N's will soon be on SG.
Don't forget 3 carriage sets are also going to be on SG as well. less sets for the remaining BG to haul around.
Michaelje
Chief Commissioner
I'd say that they are on their way out as a passenger loco with VLP but I'm sure freight operators would be more than interested in them. Considering that they are taking away A class allocated runs as each new vlocity is introduced they would be disappearing sooner rather than later. I cannot envisage them being allocated on other pass services with the surplus of N's but I could be wrong. When the Sunbury & Geelong runs are changed as mentioned that will only leave the 1645 Bacchus Marsh commuter which I'm sure is earmarked for an N or velocity in the not too distant future.
Hopefully someone in the know can advise further!
What "surplus of Ns"? V/Line is experiencing record passenger growth, they need all the engines they can get
zindello
Train Controller
Location: Outer South West of Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Perhaps we can get together a number of RP A Class fans together and all pitch in and purchase one 
On a serious note I do hope that VLine keep at least one of these running. With the carriage sets that are going to be converted to SG (I believe one is already done) including a power van, there is no reason that they A locos couldnt be converted to SG and used on these services.
Why use an N when the requirement for HEP is already provided by the power vans. I think (I'm sure somebody else will correct me if i'm wrong tho) a lot of the "N" carraiges have gensets under the carraiges anyway dont they?
On a serious note I do hope that VLine keep at least one of these running. With the carriage sets that are going to be converted to SG (I believe one is already done) including a power van, there is no reason that they A locos couldnt be converted to SG and used on these services.
Why use an N when the requirement for HEP is already provided by the power vans. I think (I'm sure somebody else will correct me if i'm wrong tho) a lot of the "N" carraiges have gensets under the carraiges anyway dont they?
NR77
Chief Commissioner
With the carriage sets that are going to be converted to SG (I believe one is already done) including a power van, there is no reason that they A locos couldnt be converted to SG and used on these services
W00t! An A class to Albury!!!
crackheadjim
Train Controller
Location: Prison
I'd say that they are on their way out as a passenger loco with VLP but I'm sure freight operators would be more than interested in them. Considering that they are taking away A class allocated runs as each new vlocity is introduced they would be disappearing sooner rather than later. I cannot envisage them being allocated on other pass services with the surplus of N's but I could be wrong. When the Sunbury & Geelong runs are changed as mentioned that will only leave the 1645 Bacchus Marsh commuter which I'm sure is earmarked for an N or velocity in the not too distant future.
Hopefully someone in the know can advise further!
What "surplus of Ns"? V/Line is experiencing record passenger growth, they need all the engines they can get
I seem to remember years ago the demand for N class locos was extreme, and half the time they would be running with numerous faults just to get the service going, there doesn't seem to be that stress anymore, and there is always 1 or 2 out of service over at the Dynon shops and no real urgency on them. Sure there isn't a surplus on them, but they are in no way in the same demand as years gone by.
vlocity160
V/Gunzel
Why use an N when the requirement for HEP is already provided by the power vans. I think (I'm sure somebody else will correct me if i'm wrong tho) a lot of the "N" carraiges have gensets under the carraiges anyway dont they?The Standard Gauge N sets, which are referred to as SN sets, do not have any underfloor generators, unlike their Broad Gauge counterparts. The PCJ van in the SN sets are there for backup purposes only. The HEP is to be supplied by the N class loco and if this is to fail, the PCJ van will take over.
zindello
Train Controller
Location: Outer South West of Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Why use an N when the requirement for HEP is already provided by the power vans. I think (I'm sure somebody else will correct me if i'm wrong tho) a lot of the "N" carraiges have gensets under the carraiges anyway dont they?The Standard Gauge N sets, which are referred to as SN sets, do not have any underfloor generators, unlike their Broad Gauge counterparts. The PCJ van in the SN sets are there for backup purposes only. The HEP is to be supplied by the N class loco and if this is to fail, the PCJ van will take over.
Why were the generators removed for the conversion? Or were these particular (now) SN sets previously without generators.
What happens when the loco isnt coupled to the train? Does the power van provide power in that case?
vlocity160
V/Gunzel
The generators were removed when the sets were converted to SN sets. The main reason behind this was due to the costs of running the generators when the HEP on the N classes or any other loco hauling them failed.Why use an N when the requirement for HEP is already provided by the power vans. I think (I'm sure somebody else will correct me if i'm wrong tho) a lot of the "N" carraiges have gensets under the carraiges anyway dont they?The Standard Gauge N sets, which are referred to as SN sets, do not have any underfloor generators, unlike their Broad Gauge counterparts. The PCJ van in the SN sets are there for backup purposes only. The HEP is to be supplied by the N class loco and if this is to fail, the PCJ van will take over.
Why were the generators removed for the conversion? Or were these particular (now) SN sets previously without generators.
What happens when the loco isnt coupled to the train? Does the power van provide power in that case?
As to the question whether or not the PCJ will provide power when no loco is attached, I am not 100% sure.
vlocity160
V/Gunzel
That would have been my suspicion as well miss_x. We shall await confirmation from "somebody in the know" to get a thorough/complete answer I guess.
AclassGunzel
Deputy Commissioner
Possibly their fate could be similar to that of S302 which was with Vline for a few years and now with ElZorro
Nightfire
Minister for Railways
Location: Gippsland
Possibly their fate could be similar to that of S302 which was with Vline for a few years and now with ElZorro
Very good point
vlocity160
V/Gunzel
*Shudders at the thought of it*
zindello
Train Controller
Location: Outer South West of Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
I vote that we at RP raise a kitty to purchase one of the old V/Line A Classes
On a serious note tho *if* they do sell off the A Classes, I really hope that they give preservation groups preference.
This such a shame too, after they spent all that time/money on the new livery, they're dissapearing...
On a serious note tho *if* they do sell off the A Classes, I really hope that they give preservation groups preference.
This such a shame too, after they spent all that time/money on the new livery, they're dissapearing...
Raichase
Captain Rant!
Location: Sydney, NSW
Sell 'em to PN, bring 'em up here for coal work please.
Nightfire
Minister for Railways
Location: Gippsland
Sell 'em to PN, bring 'em up here for coal work please.
PN already have 7 why would they want 4 more ?
Raichase
Captain Rant!
Location: Sydney, NSW
Sell 'em to PN, bring 'em up here for coal work please.
PN already have 7 why would they want 4 more ?
Psst. I was having a joke! It seems quite common for Victorians to complain (usually good naturedly) that we have "stolen" "their" C Class for work on our dirty coal trains.
speedemon08
Mary
Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Sell 'em to PN, bring 'em up here for coal work please.
PN already have 7 why would they want 4 more ?
Psst. I was having a joke! It seems quite common for Victorians to complain (usually good naturedly) that we have "stolen" "their" C Class for work on our dirty coal trains.
And our G's and other companies stole some of our S' and B's
PN and other companies have taken quite alot of our stuff north.
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