Fatality on Frankston line

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heisdeadjim Chief Commissioner
 
Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
From Metro website.  Frankston - Carrum still out.

Live status
Line Disruptions
Line suspended - Frankston line: between Carrum - Frankston (person struck by train). Buses to replace trains, major delays expected.

http://www.metrotrains.com.au/Timetables-Planning/Line-Information/Frankston.html
 
Speed Minister for Railways

Age article:
Police have identified a young man who was struck by a train and killed while out jogging in Melbourne’s south last night ... stopped at a railway level crossing in Seaford and waited for a Frankston-bound train to pass before stepping out onto the tracks.... he failed to see a second, city-bound train ... as he stepped onto the tracks at ... Skye Road
- A user
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/jogger-killed-by-train-in-melbournes-south-20101104-17ehj.html
 
Brendan03 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
There was a Siemens, 795M-714M* at Epping today. May have been related.

*I think it was 714, I know 795 was in there for sure.
 
sparkdriver Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
There was a Siemens, 795M-714M* at Epping today. May have been related.

*I think it was 714, I know 795 was in there for sure.
- Brendan03


It is the only reason you will see Siemens trains at Epping, that is to use their train wash as it's currently the only one available that can properly clean the front and rear of the trains. All types of trains that have been involved in a fatality and need the mess to be cleaned go to the Epping wash.
 
heisdeadjim Chief Commissioner

Not just fatalities, as I discovered the other night. Someone got clobbered by an xtrap - and lived - but they sent it to Epping anyway, to be sure.
 
Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
a railway level crossing in Seaford ... he stepped onto the tracks at ... Skye Road
- A user


Some points of order.

The level crossing at the end of Skye Road is between Frankston and Kananook and is in the suburb of Frankston.  Seaford commences north of Kananook station.

That crossing is generally referred to as Overton Road crossing since that road leads up to it from the beach and Skye Road is only a short stub on the eastern side at that location.

There are also level crossings in Seaford at Seaford Road and Station Road.

Does anyone have confirmation as to which one was actually the scene of this incident?
 
Speed Minister for Railways

The police press release about the deceased being identified says Seaford. However, it does not specify a location.

I'm guessing that there was an earlier, more detailed, press release before he was identified.
 
sparkdriver Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
a railway level crossing in Seaford ... he stepped onto the tracks at ... Skye Road
- A user


Some points of order.

The level crossing at the end of Skye Road is between Frankston and Kananook and is in the suburb of Frankston.  Seaford commences north of Kananook station.

That crossing is generally referred to as Overton Road crossing since that road leads up to it from the beach and Skye Road is only a short stub on the eastern side at that location.

There are also level crossings in Seaford at Seaford Road and Station Road.  

Does anyone have confirmation as to which one was actually the scene of this incident?
- Gwiwer


It was the Skye Road level crossing. There were flowers attached to the fence where the pedestrians cross today. There was a bloke in mourning sitting by the crossing and the flowers paying tribute to his dead mate as i ran my train past this afternoon.
 
Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
There was a Siemens, 795M-714M* at Epping today. May have been related.

*I think it was 714, I know 795 was in there for sure.
- Brendan03
Can confirm it was 795M that hit the pedestrian.
 
heisdeadjim Chief Commissioner

How does he know these things?
 
Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
Using my magic crystal balls...
 
alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

Location: South Morang Railway Line, VIC
In the time I've posted here I've deducted that he works for Metro, is or has been a high level member of ARHS, has spent a fair amount of time reading railway history material, is able to know railwaymen without coming across as a rabid gunzel, and most importantly; has a fine taste in alcoholic beverages.

These traits tend to lead to good insider info.  Wink
 
heisdeadjim Chief Commissioner

Also has this roguish appearance that drives the ladies wild....
 
thadocta Chief Commissioner

Location: Katoomba
As a Sydney-sider, every time I go to Melbourne (which is often) I am always amazed about the amount of unfenced railway lines, and the Frankston line is no exception.

While I am not one who believes that we should protect people from their own stupidity, I am wondering if this would have been preventable if the line had been fenced to the same degree as running lines are fenced in Sydney and Brisbane?

Again, not to protect those who need to earn a Darwin award, but more about the drivers and EMS crews who have to witness the event and clean up afterwards.

Dave
 
Attila76 Junior Train Controller


While I am not one who believes that we should protect people from their own stupidity, I am wondering if this would have been preventable if the line had been fenced to the same degree as running lines are fenced in Sydney and Brisbane?
- thadocta


In this case No. The jogger would have had to either open the pedestrian gates' emergency exit or walk under the boom gates that were down.

I'm not sure how many deaths happen near level crossings and stations vs. unfenced bits of tracks. I know quite a few happen near or at stations, which does involve some getting to (crossing closed pedestrian gates, standing near the edge of platform,clearly marked level crossings with warning devices).

Fatalities are unfortunately a part of the railways.
 
Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
So long as Australian crossings only have booms over the entry side there will be half of the possible approach routes unguarded. That style of crossing is not permitted in some other countries or at least not in suburban areas.

I don't advocate religiously fencing our rail lines in all areas as is done in, for example, the UK simply because we have no need to protect anyone from anything in the vast and largely uninhabited distances of the outback.

Lineside fencing is being installed on the suburban routes at a rate of knots already so while there are still substantial unfenced lengths, including on the Frankston line, those might not remain so for too much longer.

Level crossings with full booms, where those faced by approaching traffic fall a few seconds before those on the "exit' side, give far more protection but require CCTV supervision to ensure no-one becomes trapped.  Under normal operation they never should - this is purely an additional safety feature.  

Ultimately we may never protect the foolish and downright stupid from themselves.  We can take all reasonable measures based upon the assessed level of risk but when you consider that even high-security jails are occasionally broken out of then it seems nothing will stop someone who is truly determined.

Whether the incident at Skye Road could have been prevented by full booms is something the enquiry might need to look at.  However it was caused - and it appears it may have been a tragic accident - all accidents are caused somehow.  There is never a no-blame scenario.
 

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