Westall Rail Project

 
  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
Not having seen it, I'm going to guess it's a substation. That sounds exactly like they did on the land that used to be the Fairfield paper siding. More trains running at Westall mean they need more overhead capacity.
"tomohawk"


From Memory, There's a substation very close to there... Perhaps they're expanding it.

Somewhat Relevant, I notice they installed a big chunky peice of metal (I assume it's a transformer/inverter) at Altona Jn in the substation that had the giant pink vibrator painted on the side.
"Brendan03"

I'm not so sure the new building at Springvale is going to be a substation.  There is already a substation at Westall up from the station and I think there is already one at Springvale as well.  I know there is a works depot at Springvale.  All the pipes that have been laid through the carparks seem to be emerging from the ground in the middle of this project.  Could a new signal box be out of the question or would they just upgrade the one that is already in the Springvale up station building?

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  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
Could a new signal box be out of the question or would they just upgrade the one that is already in the Springvale up station building?
"jdekorte"

From Vicsig:
http://www.vicsig.net/index.php?page=infrastructure&interlocking=Westall
http://www.vicsig.net/index.php?page=infrastructure&box=Springvale

The interlockings at Westall and Springvale are controlled from the signal box at Springvale. Perhaps with all of the new signalling at Westall the location of control will be shifted elsewhere (Caulfield or Dandenong possible candidates?) with the current signalling at Springvale also replaced, needing a new relay room to put it in?
  SteamtoStay Chief Commissioner

Location: Building floorplates
Could a new signal box be out of the question or would they just upgrade the one that is already in the Springvale up station building?
"jdekorte"

From Vicsig:
http://www.vicsig.net/index.php?page=infrastructure&interlocking=Westall
http://www.vicsig.net/index.php?page=infrastructure&box=Springvale

The interlockings at Westall and Springvale are controlled from the signal box at Springvale. Perhaps with all of the new signalling at Westall the location of control will be shifted elsewhere (Caulfield or Dandenong possible candidates?) with the current signalling at Springvale also replaced, needing a new relay room to put it in?
"wongm"

It has been reported on the VicSig forums that Springvale's signalbox will be absorbed by Dandenong.
  merlin Chief Commissioner

Location: North East Adelaide
Happy snaps of Westall progress...

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more at http://photosbymerlin.fotopic.net/c1910783.html
  712M Chief Commissioner

I think that the money spent on nearly full platform length shelters was a bit of a waste considering not that many people get on at Westall, which is pretty well served by the Dandenong and Cranbourne trains during peak times. Mind you I guess it helps to encourage people to move down the train..
  fullofrubbish Assistant Commissioner

Location: Brunswick
http://www.metlinkmelbourne.com.au/news/service-alterations/metropolitan-trains/buses-replacing-trains-on-the-pakenham-and-cranbourne-lines-saturday-13-november-sunday-14-november-2010

I'm assuming the this is related to the Westall Project? The main Sandown Races are on that Saturday 13th, not very good planning...
  Mel Deputy Commissioner

not very good planning...
"fullofrubbish"


For those in the DOT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planning
  merlin Chief Commissioner

Location: North East Adelaide
not very good planning...
"fullofrubbish"


For those in the DOT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planning
"Mel"


You assume, sir, a far higher level of literacy both and reasoning, than the DOT has thus far demonstrated. But good form anyhow, old boy!
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Does anyone have any recent pics of how these works are progressing??

Additionally, and to diverge slightly off the topic, but in the same vain. Why has there not been a proposal for a similar passing loop between Oakleigh and the western side of Clayton station?? Went over the North rd bridge at Huntingdale this morning - there's heaps of room to bash a 3rd track though there about 3km long from where the 3rd track ends east of Oakleigh station. Minimal or zero road works, bit of earth works, but perhaps some cabling may need to be relocated. Any takers on why that one hasn't been floated as an ideal passing loop location??

Regards
  sparkdriver Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Does anyone have any recent pics of how these works are progressing??

Additionally, and to diverge slightly off the topic, but in the same vain. Why has there not been a proposal for a similar passing loop between Oakleigh and the western side of Clayton station?? Went over the North rd bridge at Huntingdale this morning - there's heaps of room to bash a 3rd track though there about 3km long from where the 3rd track ends east of Oakleigh station. Minimal or zero road works, bit of earth works, but perhaps some cabling may need to be relocated. Any takers on why that one hasn't been floated as an ideal passing loop location??

Regards
"davesvline"


I'm pretty sure it was supposed to happen with the Westall upgrade, but was cut out of the plan due to costs (it's ridiculous that they haven't done it whilst doing the rest of the upgrade i agree). Originally there was supposed to be a 3rd track from Caulfield to Dandenong and it has just been scaled back again and again due to costs.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland


I'm pretty sure it was supposed to happen with the Westall upgrade, but was cut out of the plan due to costs (it's ridiculous that they haven't done it whilst doing the rest of the upgrade i agree). Originally there was supposed to be a 3rd track from Caulfield to Dandenong and it has just been scaled back again and again due to costs.
"sparkdriver"


Level crossings a major stumbling block on the Caulfield Dandenong line

If Clayton and Springvale stations were sunk as part of grade separations
(Libs have promised Springvale Road along with Murrumbeena Road)

This could open the door for extra tracks for the Oakleigh to Sandown Park section.

Has there been any planing as to where the proposed (unfunded) Domain to Caulfield tunnel may come out at the Caulfield end ?

Some DoT plans have extra tracks between the end of the proposed tunnel and Westall.
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
And the bit i mentioned is ripe for doing at anytime, and is not subject po future possibility of frade saparation since all roads go over the section i refer to.
Time will tell, the Libs might fast track some coin to that line. Possibility of brownie points.........

Regards
  SteamtoStay Chief Commissioner

Location: Building floorplates
I think that the money spent on nearly full platform length shelters was a bit of a waste considering not that many people get on at Westall, which is pretty well served by the Dandenong and Cranbourne trains during peak times. Mind you I guess it helps to encourage people to move down the train..
"712M"

Actually, the reason is to encourage interchange between express and stopping trains - just like Richmond 7/8 for interchange between direct and loop services.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
And the bit i mentioned is ripe for doing at anytime, and is not subject po future possibility of frade saparation since all roads go over the section i refer to.
Regards
"davesvline"


The section you refer to would have the same problems as the Caulfield to Moorabbin triple track section has ~ very hard to timetable overtaking movements on such a short section.
  L1150 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Pakenham Vic.
It appears that the Westall road overpass support pillar will cause clearence problems on the new loop track. Workers are preparing foundations for a new support next to the existing one, which, I presume, will be demolished when the new one is complete. Appart from a turnout on the existing down track, not much progress has been made on the loop line.  8)
  Bobman Locomotive Fireman


I'm pretty sure it was supposed to happen with the Westall upgrade, but was cut out of the plan due to costs (it's ridiculous that they haven't done it whilst doing the rest of the upgrade i agree). Originally there was supposed to be a 3rd track from Caulfield to Dandenong and it has just been scaled back again and again due to costs.
"sparkdriver"


I remember when it was supposed to be 4 tracks. I hate how any project is half baked and then in the future needs to be expanded at a greater cost than doing it right in the first place.

Clayton and Centre Road crossings need to be separated soon.
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Clayton rd definately being the easier of the two, as far as surrounding buildings and stations etc goes.
  L1150 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Pakenham Vic.
Clayton rd definately being the easier of the two, as far as surrounding buildings and stations etc goes.
"davesvline"


I think that the crummy little wooden station building at Clayton is heritage listed Rolling Eyes
  historian Deputy Commissioner

(Libs have promised Springvale Road along with Murrumbeena Road)


No, the Libs haven't promised to grade separate Murrumbeena Rd.

They actually promised $18 million in their first term to investigate grade separation at North Road, Ormond, Murrumbeena Rd, Murrumbeena, and Burke Rd Gardiner.

No promise to build anything if the investigation comes out too expensive, and no promise to do anything before 2014.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Clayton rd definately being the easier of the two, as far as surrounding buildings and stations etc goes.
"davesvline"


I think that the crummy little wooden station building at Clayton is heritage listed Rolling Eyes
"L1150"


Ok jack It up, back a low loader under It and put the station building In a local park.

The building could even be transplanted Into a new station development.
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Perhaps I have confused things, even myself here.  Shocked
The easiest here by an absolute country mile is CENTRE RD My apologies for thinking of the right one to say, but naming the other  Bang Head

Regards
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Interesting point L1150. Clayton station IMHO has ZERO heritage value, but hey, thats just me. However should Clayton Rd be earmarked for grade spearation, that building will not feature in any redevelopement, and furthermore it WILL NOT stand in the way of improvements being made there at all.
Considering traffic at that crossing is such a crap fight, you could easily have people walking the que of cars when that boom gates are down, with partition forms to canvas enough signatures demanding that pathetic excuse for a wooden shack be gotten rid of at the earliest possible convenience, in order enable a grade separation and suitable station be be built without delay.
I'd also bet you'd have 50,000 signatures at least by the end of a full working week.

Regards
  merlin Chief Commissioner

Location: North East Adelaide
Considering traffic at that crossing is such a crap fight, you could easily have people walking the que of cars when that boom gates are down, with partition forms to canvas enough signatures demanding that pathetic excuse for a wooden shack be gotten rid of at the earliest possible convenience, in order enable a grade separation and suitable station be be built without delay.
I'd also bet you'd have 50,000 signatures at least by the end of a full working week.

Regards
"davesvline"


The only problem being, that 50 copies of the same thousand motorists sigatures, wouldn't exactly count Smile
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
As IF anyone EVER checks partitions, to see that someone hasn't signed it twice  Shocked
However, but i would still hazard the figure of 50,000 is achievable with one per person.
  thekingoffoxes Chief Train Controller

I drove though clayton for the first time today around 10:30 am. it took 6min and 25 seconds to get though the crossing. started counting when i got stuck in the middle of the shopping area due to backed up cars from the crossing. 2 trains came though.

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