Safety Vests & Railways

 
  snowy446 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Somewhere on a train
A friend told me that if you get a safety vest you are allowed on the rail line
Is this true?
I don't reckon that you are allowed without some safety card

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  dkaarma Chief Train Controller

A friend told me that if you get a safety vest you are allowed on the rail line
Is this true?
"snowy446"


No.
  snowy446 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Somewhere on a train
Thankyou
  johnboy Chief Commissioner

Location: Up the road from Gulgong

I don't reckon that you are allowed without some safety card
"snowy446"

Besides that which is in one act, being there in the first place breaches:

RAIL SAFETY (OFFENCES) REGULATION 2008 - REG 41
No trespassing

   (1) A person must not, without reasonable excuse, go onto or into, or remain on or in:
       (a) the restricted area of a station, or
       (b) any running lines or associated part of any rail infrastructure, or
       (c) any workshops forming part of rail infrastructure, or
       (d) any offices or administrative areas of a railway, or
       (e) any other railway premises or any part of monorail works.
       Maximum penalty: 50 penalty units.

   (2) Subclause (1) does not apply to:
       (a) a rail safety officer in the execution of his or her duty, or
       (b) a person who has the permission of the rail transport operator of the railway to enter the railway premises or part of the monorail works concerned.

   (3) A rail safety officer who has reason to believe that a person is committing an offence under subclause (1) may direct the person to leave the restricted area of the station, running lines, associated part of the rail infrastructure, workshop, office or administrative area, railway premises or monorail works concerned.

   (4) A person must comply with a direction given under subclause (3).
  Route548 Locomotive Driver

Location: Macquarie Park aka North Ryde
A friend told me that if you get a safety vest you are allowed on the rail line
Is this true?
I don't reckon that you are allowed without some safety card


Even if you have the safety vest, you need to possess a CoC card at all times while undertaking rail safety work ie giving right of way and so on. Also, you cannot just go down to the rail line unless you get explicit permission from Operations and you have a protection officer with you. Without the two, going down to the line means you either expose yourself to being injured or being punished/fined/suspended/prosecuted.

The only excuse you have (as far as I know) in going down to the lines by yourself is if its a real emergency ie a pram falls onto the tracks, and even then, you still need to contact a few different people like Operations, the signal box, your controlling station, and other people whom I can't remember.
  borosa Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
"A mate told me that if I touch the overhead wire with only 1 hand, i'll be ok."

Sure, go ahead and try it... Rolling Eyes
  heisdeadjim Chief Commissioner

I reckon you would.

If you were not touching anything else at the time......
  Aviator Station Master

I reckon you would.

If you were not touching anything else at the time......
"heisdeadjim"


Ah, the rare air-dropped para-gunzel...

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  heisdeadjim Chief Commissioner

Well, they must be around otherwise why else is your username "Aviator"? Razz
  nkpnsw Locomotive Driver

A friend, now retired, who worked as an engineer for a rail company overseas and later as a consultant for a number of rail organisations in Australia told me something similar. He said that as long as he was wearing a safety vest he never once was questioned as to his authority to be on any rail property or area. That applied throughout Europe and Australia. He wasn't recommending it, just reminiscing.
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
I'm just wondering how someone could assume that wearing a safety vest could entitle someone to access railway property that is off limits to non-employees  Confused
  Maikha Moderator Not a gunzel

Additionally, having a Safety Vest and a Track Awareness Safety card DOESN'T allow you to wonder in a corridor willy nilly for whatever reason (I.e. Taking photos, or just being a general knob) without authority.
  fast01 BUTTSCRATCHER!

Location: Somewhere your not.
Additionally, having a Safety Vest and a Track Awareness Safety card DOESN'T allow you to wonder in a corridor willy nilly for whatever reason (I.e. Taking photos, or just being a general knob) without authority.
"Maikha"
So the real question is, if you have authority to be a knob in a rail corridor, should you be there?  Wink
  Maikha Moderator Not a gunzel

Additionally, having a Safety Vest and a Track Awareness Safety card DOESN'T allow you to wonder in a corridor willy nilly for whatever reason (I.e. Taking photos, or just being a general knob) without authority.
"Maikha"
So the real question is, if you have authority to be a knob in a rail corridor, should you be there?  Wink
"fast01"
I've never known rail authorities to give someone clearance to be one in the corridor.  Razz
  nadnerbster Deputy Commissioner

Location: Profundo en la Mierda
What is with people in this thread?

Safety vests make you impervious to rail traffic, everybody knows that! It's impossible to be hit by a train if you're wearing a safety vest.

Jeremy Clarkson said so!
  42101 Banned

Location: Banned
A friend told me that if you get a safety vest you are allowed on the rail line
Is this true?
I don't reckon that you are allowed without some safety card
"snowy446"


You might want to tell your (supposedly friend) that he is a total idiot mate.
  Johnmc Moderator

Location: Cloncurry, Queensland

Jeremy Clarkson said so!
"nadnerbster"


Yes, but he was also wearing a skid lid at the time.  Two, IIRC.
  Route548 Locomotive Driver

Location: Macquarie Park aka North Ryde
And also, that 'stunt' was planned in advance with the line shut down and dozens of Network Rail personnel on site in case something did go wrong.
  JTCs2 Deputy Commissioner

Nerb
The sad thing is mate that on this fine forum, some may actually believe you (and mr Clarkson)
JT
  jedimasterc Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
is probably a graffiti artist or vandal.
  Goose Chief Train Controller

Also, you cannot just go down to the rail line unless you get explicit permission from Operations and you have a protection officer with you. Without the two, going down to the line means you either expose yourself to being injured or being punished/fined/suspended/prosecuted.
"Route548"


"Rolling Stock Maintainers" use NAR and do not have a PO and do not need to contact Operations.
  Route548 Locomotive Driver

Location: Macquarie Park aka North Ryde
"Rolling Stock Maintainers" use NAR and do not have a PO and do not need to contact Operations.


I probably should have made my post a bit clearer as I was approaching it from a station POV. I do remember talk of extending the NAR to station staff and others (I could be horribly wrong though) but last check of the weekly notices showed nothing.
  matt_c17 Chief Train Controller

Location: Around here somewhere...
Under most cases, a station staff member's duties do not impede on the danger zone, where some form of protection is required.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
(Qualified) Station staff are trained in the use of NAR and CSB, and can use them.
  EMD-SD45X Chief Train Controller

Also, you cannot just go down to the rail line unless you get explicit permission from Operations and you have a protection officer with you. Without the two, going down to the line means you either expose yourself to being injured or being punished/fined/suspended/prosecuted.
"Route548"


"Rolling Stock Maintainers" use NAR and do not have a PO and do not need to contact Operations.
"Goose"


If you are using NAR or CSB a call to Ops is a "courtesy" thing but you still have to have your Worksite Protection Plan signed off by a PO3 or higher and have the appropriate SWMS & SWIs with you.
And how many NOS's and Cityrail staff do you see in the corridor without the mandatory brain buckets on? (Double standards by the clowns up high)

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