Fetish for cable car / gondola proposals in Victoria

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Bogong Deputy Commissioner

Location: North Carlton. Land of the CULL's (Cashed Up Latte Lefties).

This year there have been at least five proposals for gondolas in Victoria. They're not weedy little things in showgrounds or crossing a river either, some are ambitious, long distance projects.

Of course, except in one case, the people proposing them haven't put any money up, so I suspect most of these ideas are just kite flying or wishful thinking.

Arthur's Seat. The original double chairlift was 40 odd years old when it had a few problems and was decommissioned in 2003. Sadly, the new 2004 chairlift suffered from the poor reputation of it's predecessor and closed in 2006. There is now a proposal for a new mixed lift with both gondolas and quad chairs. Unlike most proposals below, this one has serious backers, so it will probably be built. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/arthurs-seat-chairlift-to-undergo-5m-facelift/story-e6frf7kx-1225945454193?from=public_rss

Marysville. to Lake Mountain. An exercise in wishful thinking with no apparent backers or economic justification. Still it would be brilliant if, (in defiance of all sensible considerations), it was built utilising some of the surplus bushfire recovery funds.
http://www.starnewsgroup.com.au/mail/mountain-views/229/story/84836.html

Mt Buffalo. Another pie-in-the-sky project dreamt up by the local tourist committee, but also without much commercial justification. But if it was built, the view would be awesome! http://www.theage.com.au/travel/travel-n...91111-i9yj.html

Falls Creek. The ski resort's long term master plan suggests replacing the relatively short (475 m) Gully triple chair with a 600 metre long Gondola. While most usage of this chairlift is by skiers, it does get used a bit by pedestrians for cross town access. http://www.fallscreek.com.au/ResortMasterplan Warning, big file.

Mt Buller. Proposed in the master plan for the ski resort to connect the day car park with the town centre. This plan makes a little more "real world" sense than the Falls Creek one. http://www.mtbuller.com.au/uploads/file/Draft_Resort_Master_Plan_15_SEPT_10.pdf Warning, huge file!

These are the ones I've been able to track down websites for. But there may be other gondola proposals out there.

 
traintrambus70 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Waiting for the Doncaster Line

Of course, except in one case, the people proposing them haven't put any money up, so I suspect most of these ideas are just kite flying or wishful thinking.

- Bogong

As long as they include them in the Myki ticketing system, cable car / gondola services are sure to be an idea that.. umm.. gets up.  Rolling Eyes

 
E1109 Minister for Railways

Location: Bright sunny Darwin

I'm waiting for the threads that go "first class chairlift to Upper Bumcrack" with a huge burst on how it'll open up the tourist industry and save the Earth.

No, I am...

 
davesvline Deputy Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998

Well unless its the Arthurs Seat chair lift as a tourist attraction (which was iconic, hence the infatuation) or a snowfields chair lift as a practical aid for a down hill sport, then its nothing more that a carrot spankers wet dream, and shall remain forever - just that.....

Regards

 
Speed Minister for Railways

Gondolas, unlike monorails, are normally treated as private transport. That are likely to have the drawbacks of personal rapid transit, unless they are suitable for carrying more than several people and people are willing to travel with strangers on them.

Even so, the cables have to be higher than monorails, making them unsightly than monorails.

 
pberrett Chief Commissioner

Location: Melbourne, West Island

Could a cable car run under (i.e. hang from) Westgate Bridge as part of a lengthy cable car service, say from Newport to Port Melbourne?

 
GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper

What about a skitube or rack railway for Victoria as well? We could have an area like Switzerland.  Very Happy

 
Bogong Deputy Commissioner

Location: North Carlton. Land of the CULL's (Cashed Up Latte Lefties).

Here's proof that modern gondolas are suitable for urban public transport. http://gondolaproject.com/tag/doppelmayr/

That's the Doppelmayr instalation in Caracas, but the Leitner-Poma, the other big cableway manufacturer also installed a gondola system in Meddellin, Columbia's second city.

Gondola lifts are unrivaled for ultimate prestige and performance in the aerial ropeway field. They can transport as many as 3,000 passengers per hour with speeds up to 6 meters per second. From website: http://www.leitner-poma.com/products-detachable-grip-gondolas.php

 
Voldemort Junior Train Controller

above the 1000 steps at upper ferntree gully

alternatively, a gondola service to doncaster?

 
Greatfox Chief Train Controller

Mt Buller. Proposed in the master plan for the ski resort to connect the day car park with the town centre. This plan makes a little more "real world" sense than the Falls Creek one. http://www.mtbuller.com.au/uploads/file/Draft_Resort_Master_Plan_15_SEPT_10.pdf Warning, huge file!

- A user

Doesn't this already exist as the Horse Hill chair?

 
Bogong Deputy Commissioner

Location: North Carlton. Land of the CULL's (Cashed Up Latte Lefties).

Greatfox. The proposed gondola would start near the base of the Horse Hill Chair and go towards the town centre near Kooroora Hotel, where the bus terminal is now.

My understanding is that they don't attach the gondolas to the Horse Hill lift these days and it just operates as a detachable quad chairlift.

 
Speed Minister for Railways

above the 1000 steps at upper ferntree gully

- Voldemort

Do you mean so that you can commemorate Australian soldiers' efforts in New Guinea in WWII by catching a lift to the top of the memorial trail? More interesting might be to go to Mount Dandenong.

alternatively, a gondola service to doncaster?

- Voldemort

From Box Hill or Abbotsford?

If we're doing crackpot ideas, how about Newport to Westgate? The Westgate Bridge should provide a good structure to support the cables. With the Funt gone, bicycles and pedestrians can no longer cross there.

 
del_horno15 Junior Train Controller

I thought the Buller gondola idea was a much more ambitious one that involved a path from the park entrance gate at Mirimbah right to the village?

Mind you, it would enourmous in size, but i seem to recall Buller wanting to take traffic off its access road, thus encouraging day trippers to park at the bottom of the hill. Significant improvements would have to be made in Mirimbah to support this though.

 
Bogong Deputy Commissioner

Location: North Carlton. Land of the CULL's (Cashed Up Latte Lefties).

del_horno. As (I think) the only aerial ropeway geek on this forum, Upside-down Razz I've heard lots of gossip and day dream plans for a gondola from the toll booth at Mirimbah, right into the centre of Mt Buller. But no one has released a formal plan for one since the 1938 plan for a funicular that was thwarted by the outbreak of World War 2.

So this carpark to town centre gondola is the best thing proposed for over 70 years.

 
Valvegear Minister for Railways

Location: Norda Fittazroy

Fine, as long as the mob who built the big Melbourne ferris wheel doesn't have anything to do with it.

 

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