N430 and the Centenary and Jubilee train in South Australia

 
  lustychant Chief Commissioner

Hi all,

There is very little info around the place re the visit during 1951 (or was it here in 1952) of the VR's Jubilee Centenary train.

There are a few photos of it at Victor Harbour and I remember recently seeing a pic of it at Gladstone. I can't remember where I saw the Gladstone pic (Newsrail/MRSAC Notes???), hence the motivation for my recent trivia question.

Where else did the train visit whilst in South Australia and how long was it here for?

I originally believed it went only to Adelaide and Victor!

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  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Magindex has no mention of N430 in South Australia at all, so it's not in Bulletin or the MRSAC notes.
  sarail Chief Commissioner

Location: Redwood Park, Adelaide, South Australia
i'm sure i've seen a photo of N430 and a rake of PL cars on the Jubilee train at Victor Harbor...buggered if I can remember where now though!
  lustychant Chief Commissioner

Magindex has no mention of N430 in South Australia at all, so it's not in Bulletin or the MRSAC notes.
"duttonbay"


Cheers duttonbay, saves me trawling through Bulletins as well as the MRASC notes  8)



i'm sure i've seen a photo of N430 on the Jubilee train at Victor Harbor...buggered if I can remember where now though!
"sarail"


I'm sure Doug Coulhoun took the classic pic of it in the Victor Harbour platform that most of us had seen.

I have seen another of N430 either on the turntable there or next to it. I'm sure that was Dougs too.

I'm going to have to search through my magnificently organised 'reference section' to find the pic at Gladstone. If it's not in the Bulletin/MRSAC notes I'm then sure it was in a A4 magazine like Newsrail or ARE with N430 in Gladstone loco. If I was drinking something at the time I'm sure would have spat it out all over the magazine when I noticed it  Laughing
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
The train and locomotive did indeed come to SA but the displays in the train were changed to SA displays either before it arrived or after as that photo shows the headboard displaying South Australian Jubilee train headboard it is on page 60 of the Kim Bird book "South Coast Limited" but there are other photos of it taken down there as well!

There was from memory an article in a Catchpoint or Recorder magazine once about this trip but I don't know what year though!
  allan Chief Commissioner

Was scheduled to visit 66 country towns on the broad gauge, and the metro area between July 30 and October 7, 1951.

The guide booklet has 15 pages of descriptions of the exhibits, but no mention of the loco or consist.
  nscaler69 Deputy Commissioner

Location: There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots.
Here are 4 photo links from the State Library SA: Mortlock collection.

RX & N at Goodwood Jctn: http://images.slsa.sa.gov.au/mpcimg/59000/B58892_263.htm
N being turned at Victor: http://images.slsa.sa.gov.au/mpcimg/59000/B58892_262.htm
N & 750* Clarence Gardens: http://images.slsa.sa.gov.au/mpcimg/59000/B58892_260.htm
N & 750* Clarence Gardens:  http://images.slsa.sa.gov.au/mpcimg/59000/B58892_261.htm

The consist seems to be Victorian APL or BPL type Excursion Cars.

* edited changed K? to 750
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

N & K? Clarence Gardens: http://images.slsa.sa.gov.au/mpcimg/59000/B58892_260.htm
"nscaler69"


Thanks for the links to the photos. It;s not a K though - you can see the trailing truck. I would suspect a 750, rather than a VR N class. They had all entered service with the SAR by May 1951, so were available.
  nscaler69 Deputy Commissioner

Location: There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots.
Thanks db fingers must've suffered from a NAB type glitch.
Notice also that it's only single track (Clarence Gardens photos).
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Thanks db fingers must've suffered from a NAB type glitch.
Notice also that it's only single track (Clarence Gardens photos).
"nscaler69"


I would say those sleepers in the foreground of those photo's might be the other track being laid as there are too many and they are too even, to be ready to be put into the existing track!
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

G'day David

You are right regarding the sleepers. The second track was started sometime about 1951. About that time I had a number of medical appointments in the city (Yes, they did ultimately find a brain!) and Mum took me to the city by train. I recall the track being built, even then I recall that progress was slow. I was about 3 years older when the second track finally got to pass my home at Warradale/Hove. Sunday mornings were great. The work train hauled by a 700 class would stop outside our front door. OH&S was different then (I know Tony) and all us kids used to swarm over the loco, the crews were great blokes. I always got called in to go to Sunday School; drats!

BTW. I saw the Jubilee train when it visited Clare; I was staying with my grandparents whilst M&D were waiting for our house. Even at age 4 I was fascinated by the radio and electrical exhibits which led to a 40+ year career in electrical engineering, seeds sown.

The car set had been a wartime hospital train.

David, another correction. 3 position UQ signalling was introduced by Pilkington in 1913 and was well established when Webb arrived. It would have been about the only thing Webb would have recognised. How Pilkington got it past the entrenched conservative management is a mystery.

Regards
Ian
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
David, another correction. 3 position UQ signalling was introduced by Pilkington in 1913 and was well established when Webb arrived. It would have been about the only thing Webb would have recognised. How Pilkington got it past the entrenched conservative management is a mystery.

Regards
Ian
"steam4ian"


Probably because he did not speak with a an American accent that is most probably why. But yes you would assume that they did not want this Yankee type influence on their railway, but it might have been a case of either that or no modern type signalling at the time, you know the lesser of the two evils type of thing!
  grayknee Beginner

I can remember seeing the Jubilee Train in Strathalbyn. I think I was 5 year old at the time and really the only thing I can remember about it was a model railway they had set up. I couldn't get over the fact that you didn't have to wind it up.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Anyone in V Line or PTV who suggested such a train these days would be immediately referred to a head-shrinker, or fired on mental grounds.
  alfclp Train Controller

I saw the train at Terowie.

Still have the souvenir booklet.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

David, another correction. 3 position UQ signalling was introduced by Pilkington in 1913 and was well established when Webb arrived. It would have been about the only thing Webb would have recognised. How Pilkington got it past the entrenched conservative management is a mystery.

Regards
Ian


Probably because he did not speak with a an American accent that is most probably why. But yes you would assume that they did not want this Yankee type influence on their railway, but it might have been a case of either that or no modern type signalling at the time, you know the lesser of the two evils type of thing!
David Peters
Pilkington visited Canada where it was used in Montreal. Canada being part of the British Empire would have made it acceptable. However it was still a technological leap, about 3 quanta I would suggest considering the primitive state of mechanical signalling in SA.

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