Melbourne Suburban Disruptions (Since Metro Introduction)

 
  712M Chief Commissioner

Anyone know what caused disruption at Camberwell at around 2.00 PM. A friend of mine was stuck outside Camberwell for about ninety minutes in an up Alamein
"steaming"
90 minutes?  Think your friend has a job as a sewage outfall pipe, as they're talking s**t.

There was a point failure at Camberwell today that caused all up trains to go on the centre line between Box Hill and Camberwell, and all down trains to go on the down line between Camberwell and Box Hill.
"Sir Thomas Bent"


But don't up Alameins need to cross over the up line to get to the centre line?

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  steaming Locomotive Driver

I'm sorry I made a typo, my friend was marooned opposite East Camberwell station next to the flyover for forty minutes, and was told by the driver, something about a point failure as described earlier.

There seems to have been a series of point and signal failures recently there, what is causing this ?
  Kerpal Deputy Commissioner

Delays to Werribee/Williamstown lines due to a "passenger issue" at Yarraville.  Whatever that means ...
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
It's being deliberately vague for a reason to prevent copycats, I'd be surmising Kerpal.
  fullofrubbish Assistant Commissioner

Location: Brunswick
Melbourne's first real hot day for awhile - interesting to see how the trains will cope.

Metro's LiveService Updates already showing quite a few disruptions...
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
Disruptions currently listed for ALL lines except Williamstown, Stony Point, Hurstbridge and Epping.

Most are up to 15 minutes' delay due to a track fault at Flinders Street, a few are single cancellations which would be considered normal.  

No weather-related delays or problems at this stage.

Despite being a major holiday the very great majority of all public transport staff take a professional attitude to their roles and absenteeism is not usually a major factor in service disruption.  Nothing noted so far today as being due to staffing issues.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Not really a disruption, but did anyone else see 575M (empty cars) stuck at Ringwood at 5pm last night? There was quite a bit of smoke coming from the rear car, 326M. The train eventually crawled into the Ringwood yards after about 10 minutes with only 575M's cab actually being in Platform 3 before then.
  heisdeadjim Chief Commissioner

Was it an up from Lilydale or Belgrave? or not?
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
No idea if it was an up or down at the time, but it was on a down empty cars when I saw it, and 575M was stopped only just into the platform with the rest of the train over the turnout and the Wantirna Rd bridge.

My thought was 326M had stuck brakes, causing a heap of carbon smoke to go everywhere.
  Brendan03 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
464M was apparently having issues with smoke pouring out of it on the Burnley group yesterday...
  Sammy D Chief Commissioner

Location: Melbourne, Victoria
Bad  day today, Power failure at Newport, Both Weribee and Williamstown lines suspended.

Also No trains Bayswater - Belgrave due to stolen cables.
  zindello Train Controller

Location: Outer South West of Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Bad  day today, Power failure at Newport, Both Weribee and Williamstown lines suspended.
"Sammy D"


FWIW. We rolled through on the 6.06 up ex Werribee with no issues at all, so must have happened sometime after approx 6.30am
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
6:40am was when it was reported to have hit.

Belgrave line was buses betwixt Belgrave and Bayswater until 8:30am - the cables were flogged from somewhere around Ferntree Gully and Upper Gully.
  Matt-R Station Staff

Bad  day today, Power failure at Newport
"Sammy D"


One possum took out 400 homes and the railway..!

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/commuters-powerless-as-possum-zaps-power-to-trains-homes-20110110-19k3x.html
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Can't the rail network overhead be fed from other entry points?  The network was fed at once stage by two interconnects at North Melbourne.  Is this still the case?

--Bill
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
Can't the rail network overhead be fed from other entry points?  The network was fed at once stage by two interconnects at North Melbourne.  Is this still the case?

--Bill
"freightgate"
Not the overhead.  Signalboxes these days, especially computerised ones like at Newport, need power.  Power cut - uninterrupted power supply only lasts so long.  


Should there be back-up generators at places like Spewport box to keep things ticking over in that case?  Where could you site such a setup, given you can't even fart in there for ground room?
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Not the overhead.  Signalboxes these days, especially computerised ones like at Newport, need power.  Power cut - uninterrupted power supply only lasts so long.  
"Sir Thomas Bent"


The issues yesterday were signal related ir signal control system related?  No Overhead?

Should there be back-up generators at places like Spewport box to keep things ticking over in that case?  Where could you site such a setup, given you can't even fart in there for ground room?
"Sir Thomas Bent"


Don't the railways have a nice DC feed for their equipment?

--Bill
  perwaynut Deputy Commissioner

Location: In the Land of the Mighty Hawks, and our favourite footy President Jeff
Don't the railways have a nice DC feed for their equipment?

--Bill
"freightgate"


Nope, it is all AC, and usually comes from the local distributor. Melbourne unfortunately does not have its own electrical distribution network for 11kV, 22kV, 33 kV, etc. It relies on third party suppliers to provide system critical infrastructure.......sounds like a silly arrangement to me.....
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
A truck has hit a rail bridge at Newmarket.

"Line Disruptions
11:02am Craigieburn bound train has been cancelled
12:05pm city bound train has been cancelled
Minor Delays - Craigieburn line: both directions (truck struck rail bridge at Newmarket) trains may be delayed by up to 10 minutes."

The problem is the result of a power failure at the site.

--Bill
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Don't the railways have a nice DC feed for their equipment?

--Bill
"freightgate"


Nope, it is all AC, and usually comes from the local distributor. Melbourne unfortunately does not have its own electrical distribution network for 11kV, 22kV, 33 kV, etc. It relies on third party suppliers to provide system critical infrastructure.......sounds like a silly arrangement to me.....
"perwaynut"


Not sure this is correct.  The Melbourne network has a good supply of 12V, 24V, 48V and 50V DC Power (IIRC) across the network. Signalling computers and electronic network switches can be powered easily on 48VDC.  Data Centres do this all the time.

Attach some batteries and you have "days" of backup power!

--Bill
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Re the truck at Newmarket . . . any idiot truck driver who hits a bridge should immediately lose his heavy vehicle licence.
It'simple - measure the overall height of the truck and load, and don't try going under anything lower.
  perwaynut Deputy Commissioner

Location: In the Land of the Mighty Hawks, and our favourite footy President Jeff
Not sure this is correct.  The Melbourne network has a good supply of 12V, 24V, 48V and 50V DC Power (IIRC) across the network. Signalling computers and electronic network switches can be powered easily on 48VDC.  Data Centres do this all the time.

Attach some batteries and you have "days" of backup power!

--Bill
"freightgate"


The DC comes via rectifier transformers that convert AC to DC and whatever voltage you want. The majority if signal supply is from 2.2kV feeders from each railway sub station. The subs are fed from local distributors.
  Bullucked Assistant Commissioner

Not sure this is correct.  The Melbourne network has a good supply of 12V, 24V, 48V and 50V DC Power (IIRC) across the network. Signalling computers and electronic network switches can be powered easily on 48VDC.  Data Centres do this all the time.

Attach some batteries and you have "days" of backup power!

--Bill
"freightgate"


The DC comes via rectifier transformers that convert AC to DC and whatever voltage you want. The majority if signal supply is from 2.2kV feeders from each railway sub station. The subs are fed from local distributors.
"perwaynut"



And feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but, our suburban trains (especially the Xtraps and Sproggers) collect 1500vDC from the overhead and convert it to AC for the traction equipment!  Yeah, agreed they're not gunna want to mount SIV's at every panel. (SIV = Static Inverter)
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia


The DC comes via rectifier transformers that convert AC to DC and whatever voltage you want. The majority if signal supply is from 2.2kV feeders from each railway sub station. The subs are fed from local distributors.
"perwaynut"


The network is fed from multiple points around the network and can be switched around by electrol is what I am being told.   A power failure in one section from external supply does not mean the system shuts down.

In the case of Newport, the overhead and DC systems were fine, the AC system died and thus the power to Newport Box was disrupted.  I am told the UPS systems put in place by Victrack were hardly adequate (the result of yet more cost cutting) and could not keep the systems up.

If the systems had been on DC they could have relied on battery backup for days if required.  The same principle as is employed in Telstra exchanges.

Regards
Brian
  Polar Tiger Chief Commissioner

Location: FL390
Not really a disruption but over the past two days I've noticed the overhead wires spanning the Mordialloc stabling sidings are down and sagging all over the place. It certainly doesn't appear intentional but so far no effort has been made to carry out repairs.

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