The comedy of eBay in the HO section. Part 2

 
  anzac1959 Chief Commissioner

Hey Roachie heres another one listed just for you Wink
cheers anzac

I have recently made an error when I purchased THIS:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160558844108&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT#ht_1103wt_698

I mistakenly thought that what I saw in the pic, was what I would be getting. Of course, the package has arrived and all I got were the 6 LCL containers; no bogie flat wagon. That will teach me to read the blurb, rather than just look at the photo.

Some people may have been totally pizzed-off by this but i just have to put it down to my own ineptitude.

Roachie
"Roachie"

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  TheFeralLine Locomotive Fireman

Could I just say: who are all these people on EBay anyway. Those who accumulate massive "points"

I have no intention of being on Ebay for 10 years. Two weeks is enough. I have accumulated enough in that short space of time to re-vitalise my layout. I am not a dealer, I am a hoarder. When stock falls into my possession, it is the end of the line for them which is why I automatically and diligently scrub off any reference on them to American railroading (which I hate), British rail (which is very passe these days) and so on. So who ARE all these strange people selling on Ebay. Are they REAL model railroaders?

"I've "bench tested" this and it runs fine" Right. You own a bench. For  few dollars more you could be the proud possessor of a small circuit of track and test the item for real for half an hour.

Or: "I've put these loco wheels to the ends of wire from a transformer and hey, they turn around"

Wow! You own a transformer. Where did you get that from. Your Christmas lights.


Having said that- I did get some lovely items from a Coin Dealer who seemed to have acquired a quantity of what appears to have been ex-store stock. I don't think he knew what he was selling, but who cares. What I got was just great. I bought a "German" electric and it turned out to be Swiss. But it purrs like a pussy. And a few other bidders beat me on the "Swiss" locos- I dare not ask what they ended up with as he is not getting back my lovely little SBB. Could tell him that Wikipedia might be a great help in the future, but if he clues up and comes across more stray brand new stuff, he might start appending huge start up bids to it all. So there is an upside to ignorance.
  TheFeralLine Locomotive Fireman

Before I take my departure from Ebay and no doubt this blog thread, could I not leave a false impression. I have only rendered negative feedback in respect of 2 out of about 2 dozen Sellers. I have got from others items ranging from good to great. I even got from one seller some nice little celestory coaches to replace the ones I lost a few years back in the Great Shakey Mountain Rail Disaster: http://www.myspace.com/bad_barry/blog/237190803

My thanks to the decent sellers on ebay.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
I have recently made an error when I purchased THIS:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160558844108&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT#ht_1103wt_698

I mistakenly thought that what I saw in the pic, was what I would be getting. Of course, the package has arrived and all I got were the 6 LCL containers; no bogie flat wagon. That will teach me to read the blurb, rather than just look at the photo.

Some people may have been totally pizzed-off by this but i just have to put it down to my own ineptitude.

Roachie
"Roachie"


Actually Roachie that could really be described as fraud as they state that it is in an unopened box there, the box should contain the flat car as shown in the back ground, the containers were only ever sold on the flat car not as separate items as far as I know, so to say it is in an unopened box is a blatant lie is it not.

Condition:
New: A brand-new, unused, unopened, undamaged item. See the seller's listing for full details. See all condition definitions

This is just one example of someone milking the system, it might be a honest mistake, but there are an awful lot of mistakes like this made on this site in descriptions of things. To many to be simple slip ups.
  Beheard Locomotive Fireman

Location: Melbourne
I have recently made an error when I purchased THIS:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160558844108&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT#ht_1103wt_698

I mistakenly thought that what I saw in the pic, was what I would be getting. Of course, the package has arrived and all I got were the 6 LCL containers; no bogie flat wagon. That will teach me to read the blurb, rather than just look at the photo.

Some people may have been totally pizzed-off by this but i just have to put it down to my own ineptitude.

Roachie
"Roachie"


Actually Roachie that could really be described as fraud......
"David Peters"


I wouldn't go as far as saying fraud, but I do think it's a good call to point out that the picture could be deemed misleading.

I had a look at the sellers 99.6% feedback, and it turns out he's got a couple of bad comments, and they are all recently ?

Give him a buzz Roachie and politely state your case.

Cheers.
  hanovale Deputy Commissioner

I have recently made an error when I purchased THIS:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160558844108&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT#ht_1103wt_698

I mistakenly thought that what I saw in the pic, was what I would be getting. Of course, the package has arrived and all I got were the 6 LCL containers; no bogie flat wagon. That will teach me to read the blurb, rather than just look at the photo.

Some people may have been totally pizzed-off by this but i just have to put it down to my own ineptitude.

Roachie
"Roachie"


Actually Roachie that could really be described as fraud as they state that it is in an unopened box there, the box should contain the flat car as shown in the back ground, the containers were only ever sold on the flat car not as separate items as far as I know, so to say it is in an unopened box is a blatant lie is it not.

Condition:
New: A brand-new, unused, unopened, undamaged item. See the seller's listing for full details. See all condition definitions

This is just one example of someone milking the system, it might be a honest mistake, but there are an awful lot of mistakes like this made on this site in descriptions of things. To many to be simple slip ups.
"David Peters"


Austrains sell/sold LCL containers without the wagon, for exactly the same price as the Buy It Now. No one has been ripped off, no one has told a blatant lie, no evidence has been presented that the box shipped has been opened as it's not only possible but likely that one pack has been opened and photographed and all the packs sold have used that photograph. It is common and acceptable practice to use demonstration photographs and to ship a brand new unopened, pristine pack, just as long as the quality of the shipped itens isn't worse than the photo.

Might the seller perhaps be one of the 10% who aren't out to rip everyone off? David Peters, for someone who quotes pseudo-legalisms so often, I'm surprised you don't know more about libel.
  GY3451 Train Controller

I have recently made an error when I purchased THIS:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160558844108&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT#ht_1103wt_698

I mistakenly thought that what I saw in the pic, was what I would be getting. Of course, the package has arrived and all I got were the 6 LCL containers; no bogie flat wagon. That will teach me to read the blurb, rather than just look at the photo.

Some people may have been totally pizzed-off by this but i just have to put it down to my own ineptitude.

Roachie
"Roachie"


Actually Roachie that could really be described as fraud as they state that it is in an unopened box there, the box should contain the flat car as shown in the back ground, the containers were only ever sold on the flat car not as separate items as far as I know, so to say it is in an unopened box is a blatant lie is it not.

Condition:
New: A brand-new, unused, unopened, undamaged item. See the seller's listing for full details. See all condition definitions

This is just one example of someone milking the system, it might be a honest mistake, but there are an awful lot of mistakes like this made on this site in descriptions of things. To many to be simple slip ups.
"David Peters"


Austrains sell/sold LCL containers without the wagon, for exactly the same price as the Buy It Now. No one has been ripped off, no one has told a blatant lie, no evidence has been presented that the box shipped has been opened as it's not only possible but likely that one pack has been opened and photographed and all the packs sold have used that photograph. It is common and acceptable practice to use demonstration photographs and to ship a brand new unopened, pristine pack, just as long as the quality of the shipped itens isn't worse than the photo.

Might the seller perhaps be one of the 10% who aren't out to rip everyone off? David Peters, for someone who quotes pseudo-legalisms so often, I'm surprised you don't know more about libel.
"hanovale"


100% correct hanovale.

Sorry, David Peters, et al, I do not consider this "fraud" (seems to be the buzz word lately). This is Tom's hobbies Ebay store, and they would be the last people to be misleading.

The auction description clearly states 6 containers. There is no issue here IMO.

My God David, I think enough is enough. You're blatant anti-EBay rants are getting tiresome. You have got a bee in your bonnet about Ebay sellers. Now your just digging up crap for the sake of it.  With a comment like "This is just one example of someone milking the system, it might be a honest mistake, but there are an awful lot of mistakes like this made on this site in descriptions of things. To many to be simple slip ups.". perhaps you should ring Tom's Hobbies and tell them directly??
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Hanovale I have only ever seen the wagons with the containers on them over here and have never seen the containers separate so I apologize to you.

But still they could have put up just a photo of the six containers from another wagon or pack though, the ad is still a little dodgy in that it does not say anything about the wagon not included, like it should really. Most adverts today usually have this in them something like a book case for sale or something "books not included" or "books for illustrative purposes only", or something along those lines to tell you exactly what you get the book case nothing else!

In this case it only needed a simple "wagon not included" just to be on the safe side then that if anyone complained then about not getting the wagon, they had not read the full description properly. It still is a little suspect though. As I said there are a lot of people in this world that will do things like that, how hard would it be to take a photo or get a photo in this day and age, easy as pie really so it does make you wonder at times just what they are really doing.

Just my take on Ebay to easy to fraudalize something on the internet, never give a sucker an easy break. Twisted Evil

I am just stating my own opinion as you are GY3541 we all have an opinion on something and if you want to get ripped of in life be my guest as there are plenty of con men out there willing to fleece you of your hard earned money, they will try just about anything to get you to part and Tom's or not as I said above a disclaimer about the wagon is not that much to ask is it.
  Dazz Deputy Commissioner

I think that's a simple case of knowing what you are buying and reading the description properly.

The title simply says "Austrains HO Scale "Six LCL Containers"

And, nowhere in that listing does it mention an flat wagon as can be read by the following:

"AUSTRAINS  LCL Container
HO Scale
Contains six containers in a pack
** All containers are well-packed in original box to prevent damage/broken, & they are all 100% new **
** More detailed pictures can be sent under request, just message me,thanks **

So I do not see where the problem is from a legal point of view in as far as the title or description being misleading.

Also, if you knew that the actual flat wagons are about $195 for three or roughly $65.00 each, you may have a good look as to why they are less than half price. If you didn't know the real value then I guess you may not think about the price being low.

I agree that it would be better to show a picture of the six LCL containers by themselves to make it clear from an illustration point of view, but once again pictures are not always of the actual item and that's something to be aware of especially where new items are concerned.

Bottom line is you need to very carefully read any descriptions on Ebay, and if in doubt ask the seller a question. Also if it seems like a deal too good to be true, it probably is!
  Draffa Chief Commissioner

SJM 400 Class Railmotor: $400

Lloyds 82 Class kit: $427.  I paid $150 each for two at the BMTS two years ago.  I'm sitting on a goldmine!  Shocked
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
David Peters, for someone who quotes pseudo-legalisms so often, I'm surprised you don't know more about libel.
"hanovale"


LOL!

Hanovale I have only ever seen the wagons with the containers on them over here and have never seen the containers separate so I apologize to you.
"David Peters"


Shouldn't it be Toms? They're the people you pretty much libeled!

I have recently made an error when I purchased THIS:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160558844108&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT#ht_1103wt_698

I mistakenly thought that what I saw in the pic, was what I would be getting. Of course, the package has arrived and all I got were the 6 LCL containers; no bogie flat wagon. That will teach me to read the blurb, rather than just look at the photo.

Some people may have been totally pizzed-off by this but i just have to put it down to my own ineptitude.

Roachie
"Roachie"


Actually Roachie that could really be described as fraud as they state that it is in an unopened box there, the box should contain the flat car as shown in the back ground, the containers were only ever sold on the flat car not as separate items as far as I know, so to say it is in an unopened box is a blatant lie is it not.

Condition:
New: A brand-new, unused, unopened, undamaged item. See the seller's listing for full details. See all condition definitions

This is just one example of someone milking the system, it might be a honest mistake, but there are an awful lot of mistakes like this made on this site in descriptions of things. To many to be simple slip ups.
"David Peters"


Or maybe it's a case of someone reading the description but not thinking about what they're reading...
  AJAX Station Master

I once bought a new car, in the commercial it clearly showed a sexy woman driving the car but yet she wasn't included.

No where in the add did it state she wasn't included so this must be misleading too.

In the Oxford dictionary the meaning of "sell" in to "con". Sales is exactly that, to convince you to buy what you think you need.

Get a handle on that and you will look for the "fine print".

Ebay is buyer beware, deal with it or don't go on it.

Ajax

PS : I rarely go there. I prefer to buy from reputable sellers.
  roy66 Junior Train Controller

Having made several purchases over the years from Tom's Hobbies I would consider them to be a very reputable seller.
I have no connections with them, just a satisfied customer.

Steve
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
Having made several purchases over the years from Tom's Hobbies I would consider them to be a very reputable seller.
I have no connections with them, just a satisfied customer.

Steve
"roy66"


Steve,

I am the same.... I have bought many items off Tom's ebay store since I got back into the hobby last November. I reckon that's where I came unstuck on this occasion, because until now, all the ebay adverts they have had (where I have purchased something), the photo has shown EXACTLY what I ended up receiving. I am not angry or upset with Tom's, ..... it just threw me because the photo (always so reliable until now) showed the flat wagon, but in hindsight the description made no mention of it. I take the point of the other bloke who responded about the advert example of the pretty chick in the car advert.


I am now working out how I will utilise these 6 containers. I recall back in the 60s, growing up in Narrandera, that this type of container could often be seen in an S truck. Too bad I sold off 27 S trucks a while back as I wasn't going to have any 4 wheelers on my new layout. I also sold 4 UME flat wagons and a few KF flats, which I could have used too.

Never mind, I'm now looking at getting some K wagons or some sort of bogie flat truck.

Roachie
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Having made several purchases over the years from Tom's Hobbies I would consider them to be a very reputable seller.
I have no connections with them, just a satisfied customer.

Steve
"roy66"


Steve,

I am the same.... I have bought many items off Tom's ebay store since I got back into the hobby last November. I reckon that's where I came unstuck on this occasion, because until now, all the ebay adverts they have had (where I have purchased something), the photo has shown EXACTLY what I ended up receiving. I am not angry or upset with Tom's, ..... it just threw me because the photo (always so reliable until now) showed the flat wagon, but in hindsight the description made no mention of it. I take the point of the other bloke who responded about the advert example of the pretty chick in the car advert.


I am now working out how I will utilise these 6 containers. I recall back in the 60s, growing up in Narrandera, that this type of container could often be seen in an S truck. Too bad I sold off 27 S trucks a while back as I wasn't going to have any 4 wheelers on my new layout. I also sold 4 UME flat wagons and a few KF flats, which I could have used too.

Never mind, I'm now looking at getting some K wagons or some sort of bogie flat truck.

Roachie
"Roachie"


LCL containers also just around too, they weren't always being moved.
  Mickael Chief Train Controller

Location: .
Isnt this thread ment to be about the "comedy of ebay"? ie high prices for items still available?

Andrew
"andrewstrains"


Here's one for ya:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Brand-New-Auscision-National-Rail-Coil-Steel-Containers-/120700678117?pt=AU_Toys_Hobbies_Model_Railways&hash=item1c1a522fe5#ht_500wt_1156

$150 worth of containers which are still available from Auscision, yours today on ebay for $200 plus $13.50 postage Wink
  sol Assistant Commissioner

Location: Evanston Gardens SA
For the UK modeller
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/VITRAINS-OO-GAUGE-CLASS-37-DIESEL-EWS-DCC-READY-/320632136363?pt=AU_Toys_Hobbies_Model_Railways&hash=item4aa72a22ab

while it can be obtained from Hattons including postage for $75. - half price
  Unicorn Locomotive Fireman

I am not sure if this qualifies.

Apparently a Triang OO Australia RARE NSWR 3 Car Sydney Suburban Set for $1950.


http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Triang-OO-Australia-RARE-NSWR-3-Car-Sydney-Suburban-Set-/300537998326?pt=AU_Toys_Hobbies_Model_Railways&hash=item45f975ebf6#ht_1089wt_1143

Mike
  Stu49 Junior Train Controller

I am not sure if this qualifies.

Apparently a Triang OO Australia RARE NSWR 3 Car Sydney Suburban Set for $1950.


http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Triang-OO-Australia-RARE-NSWR-3-Car-Sydney-Suburban-Set-/300537998326?pt=AU_Toys_Hobbies_Model_Railways&hash=item45f975ebf6#ht_1089wt_1143

Mike
"Unicorn"


No surprise there tri-ang sydney surburbans do indeed go for ridiculous money from time to time.
  Unicorn Locomotive Fireman

Ah thank you, I was not sure if someone was having a lend.

Cheers

Mike
  mitch01 Train Controller

Location: Sebastopol, Vic
FeralLine, reckon you would be better to contact seller and state you case and see what they come back with.
If you are not satisfied and you paid with PayPal you can open a case against the seller.
This should be done before any feedback left though i reckon.
  railmod Chief Train Controller

I've made some Ebay purchases & so far been pretty happy with the end result, latest purchase was a Hornby Terrier (minus buffers as stated in the Sales pitch) (which will be used on my NSWGR railway on a private branch) - been watching them for a while & they mainly seems to go for over £35, picked this on up for £26.08 + postage (£9), so sofar like I said before I'm pretty happy.

Cheers Alex...
  mitch01 Train Controller

Location: Sebastopol, Vic
Reckon you should give him a couple of days to reply.
As long as the time for a dispute hasn't expired you should be safe.
There are a lot of sellers on there who buy in cheap stuff and then on sell to make a profit.
Not saying this is a bad thing just stating what i have observed.
  Unicorn Locomotive Fireman

The Austrains Steelink NR, still widely available from a variety of good retailers for the RRP of $275, but yours on Ebay for only $305 + $12.50 from a hobby store in Victoria.

The same retailer has it listed on their bricks and mortar shop website for $275.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Austrains-HO-Steel-Link-NR60-Engine-/180637452724?pt=AU_Toys_Hobbies_Model_Railways&hash=item2a0ed4c9b4#ht_946wt_909

Mike
  GY3451 Train Controller

....AS for the dearie who sold me the dud loco, her "identity" on the back of the parcel looks false. PO Box etc. Altered surname. SkipSearch could reveal more. Court process compulsorily flushes out true identities and true addresses from ebay, paypal, the paypal bank and Post Office, but court process is costly and time consuming and should be kept for the bigger items.
"TheFeralLine"


A post box in itself is a legitimate means of protecting one's private identification, but more importantly ensuring the safety of parcels. I for one, only use a PO Box for all correspondence, including Ebay, and other non-Ebay international purchases. It is better than the postie leaving parcels on my front doorstep, which is open to a busy road. With a constant flow of deliveries, it protects my security also, as it doesn't give away what times I am home or not. Post office boxes are a very popular form of receiving mail and I think it is unfair to suggest her identity "looks false" because she has a post box.

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