Gundagai - Tumut

 
  tranx Assistant Commissioner

Location: Somewhere in Southwest Sydney
I attach some photos that my mate took in 1977 and 1979 of Gundagai and Tumut. I also have a photo of Coolac.







and of Cootamundra,


Enjoy!

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  The Man in Blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: Trackside in Baiyin NW China!
Top marks! 11 out of 10

Interesting to see RM 6in regular service. Its one of the Cooma railmotors.
What else did your mate take pics of?
  tranx Assistant Commissioner

Location: Somewhere in Southwest Sydney
He also took photos of the Oberon-Tarana line just prior to closure,
http://othr.com.au/news/historical-photos/bob-winch-collection/
  tranx Assistant Commissioner

Location: Somewhere in Southwest Sydney
He was also instrumental in starting the Historic Fire Engine Association with Brian Blunt, http://www.hfea.com.au/Content/History/

He also has done an article in Branchline Modeller on making railway gates and AMRM on diamond shingle roofs, Feb 1998.
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
tranx, there is a website that you may not be aware of, When There Were Stations. They are looking for pix of this nature, ie pix of stations etc that either were and have now gone, or stations on now long gone lines.

When you visit the site, you'll find info on how to contribute, if you're interested.
  tranx Assistant Commissioner

Location: Somewhere in Southwest Sydney
Thanks wurx. My mate is interested.

He gave me another pic today. Its showing the level crossing at Gundagai with the Old Hume Highway. Its dated 30/11/1976. He used to drive a Renault (his wife is driving the car).

  4477 Junior Train Controller

Location: Woy Woy

Surprised  Great pics thankyou....
  Inspector Chief Commissioner

Location: Gone to - I don't know..............

Shocked .....magnificent.
  craigd Deputy Commissioner

Location: A Thinktank near you
Shocked .....magnificent.
"Inspector"


It's quite eerie going to Gundagai now and seeing how bad the railway trestle is. It was probably already in quite a poor state in the early 80's when the last revenue services would have run.

Like most significant rail heritage structures, it's been ignored and forgotten by successive governments long enough now that it's uneconomic to restore. Much like the timber trestle bridges on the GNR north of Guyra heading up to Wallan-garra. And the bridges for the Tocumwal line at Narranderra.

Craig.
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
The following photos were taken in November 2008, showing the station, yard, and both the road & rail viaducts.

My pix of the latter further evince craigd's remarks re the condition of the trestle.


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  Inspector Chief Commissioner

Location: Gone to - I don't know..............
Shocked .....magnificent.
"Inspector"


It's quite eerie going to Gundagai now and seeing how bad the railway trestle is. It was probably already in quite a poor state in the early 80's when the last revenue services would have run.

Like most significant rail heritage structures, it's been ignored and forgotten by successive governments long enough now that it's uneconomic to restore. Much like the timber trestle bridges on the GNR north of Guyra heading up to Wallan-garra. And the bridges for the Tocumwal line at Narranderra.

Craig.
"craigd"


That, of course, Craig, is the idea! Demolition by neglect! Eventually, each structure will fall down by itself, and the powers-that-be will think "problem solved". The underlying reason for this is quite simple - this government, like all other governments, firmly believes that there are no votes in history.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Shocked .....magnificent.
"Inspector"


It's quite eerie going to Gundagai now and seeing how bad the railway trestle is. It was probably already in quite a poor state in the early 80's when the last revenue services would have run.

Like most significant rail heritage structures, it's been ignored and forgotten by successive governments long enough now that it's uneconomic to restore. Much like the timber trestle bridges on the GNR north of Guyra heading up to Wallan-garra. And the bridges for the Tocumwal line at Narranderra.

Craig.
"craigd"


How many do you keep?

That, of course, Craig, is the idea! Demolition by neglect! Eventually, each structure will fall down by itself, and the powers-that-be will think "problem solved". The underlying reason for this is quite simple - this government, like all other governments, firmly believes that there are no votes in history.
"Inspector"
  a6et Minister for Railways

Shocked .....magnificent.
"Inspector"


It's quite eerie going to Gundagai now and seeing how bad the railway trestle is. It was probably already in quite a poor state in the early 80's when the last revenue services would have run.

Like most significant rail heritage structures, it's been ignored and forgotten by successive governments long enough now that it's uneconomic to restore. Much like the timber trestle bridges on the GNR north of Guyra heading up to Wallan-garra. And the bridges for the Tocumwal line at Narranderra.

Craig.
"craigd"


How many do you keep?

That, of course, Craig, is the idea! Demolition by neglect! Eventually, each structure will fall down by itself, and the powers-that-be will think "problem solved". The underlying reason for this is quite simple - this government, like all other governments, firmly believes that there are no votes in history.
"Inspector"
"RTT_Rules"


Somewhere in that quote grouping there seems to be a question that I assume is the reply.

It is in many ways a fair enough question, however, if one looks around the state, there are few examples left of old style bridges, be they timber or steel & having seen a lot of the examples of wonderfull old railway architecture destroyed, & much because of that particular question, we see so little left of our history, not just in rail but many other areas as well.

When I look at the issue of bridges in particular, there are two that spring to mind that should somehow be preserved in their entirety, & not just a span or two in isolation of everything like the old one at South Grafton. Those two being the long one at Lismore & the one at Gundagai.

Whilst the Lismore one may not be great, it is still unique in style & few if any other examples of it are left in the state.

Likewise the one at Gundagai, where else is there an example of that sort of structure in NSW?

I guess to many, there's little point in keeping it, but then in the rational world we live in, with the throw away past its use by date, may well be a good oppurtunity to go down & use the timber for a BBQ.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE


How many do you keep?

"RTT_Rules"
"a6et"


Somewhere in that quote grouping there seems to be a question that I assume is the reply.

It is in many ways a fair enough question, however, if one looks around the state, there are few examples left of old style bridges, be they timber or steel & having seen a lot of the examples of wonderfull old railway architecture destroyed, & much because of that particular question, we see so little left of our history, not just in rail but many other areas as well.

When I look at the issue of bridges in particular, there are two that spring to mind that should somehow be preserved in their entirety, & not just a span or two in isolation of everything like the old one at South Grafton. Those two being the long one at Lismore & the one at Gundagai.

Whilst the Lismore one may not be great, it is still unique in style & few if any other examples of it are left in the state.

Likewise the one at Gundagai, where else is there an example of that sort of structure in NSW?

I guess to many, there's little point in keeping it, but then in the rational world we live in, with the throw away past its use by date, may well be a good oppurtunity to go down & use the timber for a BBQ.[/quote]

Sorry my stuff up above.

Anyway, I agree, but its a huge trestle and longterm would be horrfically expensive to keep. Does it attrack tourists? Could you say keep a small section?

Regards
Shane
  tranx Assistant Commissioner

Location: Somewhere in Southwest Sydney
The RTA, in its current form, has done a review of its timber bridges, http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/roadprojects/projects/maintenance/timber_truss_bridges/index.html

I was wondering whether Railcorp ever did the same? Have they done a proper assessment of Gundagai Rail Bridge?
  a6et Minister for Railways



How many do you keep?

"RTT_Rules"
"a6et"


Somewhere in that quote grouping there seems to be a question that I assume is the reply.

It is in many ways a fair enough question, however, if one looks around the state, there are few examples left of old style bridges, be they timber or steel & having seen a lot of the examples of wonderfull old railway architecture destroyed, & much because of that particular question, we see so little left of our history, not just in rail but many other areas as well.

When I look at the issue of bridges in particular, there are two that spring to mind that should somehow be preserved in their entirety, & not just a span or two in isolation of everything like the old one at South Grafton. Those two being the long one at Lismore & the one at Gundagai.

Whilst the Lismore one may not be great, it is still unique in style & few if any other examples of it are left in the state.

Likewise the one at Gundagai, where else is there an example of that sort of structure in NSW?

I guess to many, there's little point in keeping it, but then in the rational world we live in, with the throw away past its use by date, may well be a good oppurtunity to go down & use the timber for a BBQ.
"RTT_Rules"


Sorry my stuff up above.

Anyway, I agree, but its a huge trestle and longterm would be horrfically expensive to keep. Does it attrack tourists? Could you say keep a small section?

Regards
Shane[/quote]

Shane.

I mentioned in my reply about the Grafton rail bridge & the short section kept of it.  Sadly I do not think it reflects the uniquness of that bridge, & while some would say that these bridges are eyesores, my personal thought is that a complete bridge shows what they were bulit for & the marvel at the old engineering skills.

The one at Grafton does nothing, in fact it looks more an eyerore than had the original stayed in complete form.

Sadly timber bridges biggest enemies are white ants, even when the timber is treated, as the treatment has to be ongoing but on sleepers & bridges when trains ran, the movement & internal vibrations kept white ants out, when no trains runs it takes around 3 months or less depending on how bad they are in an area, for them to infest a sleeper or bridge. Which certainly makes both the ones I mention suspect.

The Gundagai bridge in its completeness shows how a town like it, & an historically important one was connected for transport, its a huge show for all to see, & I know of no one who has seen it, say anything different.

I would suggest that the way to save the bridge is to replace what they can with suitable other material, to preserve the overall look, as well as the highly unlikelly prospect of the line ever opening again. To replace those areas most in need.  

I don't think its just a local thing, nor a state thing, but also a national thing or icon, & perhaps more so than a dog.  & on that score how much tourist promotion is done there anymore?

In the end, tourism is dependant on promotion, & word of mouth, if the promotion is not done, no one sees it, & therefore there is no word on it.

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