Brighton's New St gates - road is going under

 
  AzN_dj Chief Commissioner

Location: Along route 69
The only way I can see it happening is road 1m down, rail 1m up, and no trucks or buses allowed, only private vehicles

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  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
....an underpas....
"SPSD40T2"

Underpas? Is that like a faux pas?

Seems to me this whole thing would be a needless faux pas....Neutral
  Speed Minister for Railways

The only way I can see it happening is road 1m down, rail 1m up, and no trucks or buses allowed, only private vehicles
"AzN_dj"
If you want to allow pedestrians and cyclists, I think that you'd want 1.5 down and 1.5 up. A clearance of 2.6m might be sufficient.
  AzN_dj Chief Commissioner

Location: Along route 69
The only way I can see it happening is road 1m down, rail 1m up, and no trucks or buses allowed, only private vehicles
"AzN_dj"
If you want to allow pedestrians and cyclists, I think that you'd want 1.5 down and 1.5 up. A clearance of 2.6m might be sufficient.
"Speed"


Ahh yes. That would make more sense Smile How thick is a rail bridge anyways?
  John_Proctor Train Controller

The only way I can see it happening is road 1m down, rail 1m up, and no trucks or buses allowed, only private vehicles
"AzN_dj"
If you want to allow pedestrians and cyclists, I think that you'd want 1.5 down and 1.5 up. A clearance of 2.6m might be sufficient.
"Speed"


Ahh yes. That would make more sense Smile How thick is a rail bridge anyways?
"AzN_dj"


you'll need to factor in structural depth and enoguh depth on the ramps leading down to hte base of the underpass as well...

even a minimum clearance design would need to be 4m height difference in teh middle I'd have thought to give you.  road base, height clearance, structural depth of rail bridge.
  jedimasterc Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
The only way I can see it happening is road 1m down, rail 1m up, and no trucks or buses allowed, only private vehicles
"AzN_dj"
If you want to allow pedestrians and cyclists, I think that you'd want 1.5 down and 1.5 up. A clearance of 2.6m might be sufficient.
"Speed"


Ahh yes. That would make more sense Smile How thick is a rail bridge anyways?
"AzN_dj"


you'll need to factor in structural depth and enoguh depth on the ramps leading down to hte base of the underpass as well...

even a minimum clearance design would need to be 4m height difference in teh middle I'd have thought to give you.  road base, height clearance, structural depth of rail bridge.
"John_Proctor"


So something like at bankstown in sydney, where 4wd's barely sqeak under.

http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11362853.htm
or this google maps link
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=-33.917707,151.03763&spn=0.001887,0.003449&t=h&z=19&vpsrc=0
  Via City Loop Chief Commissioner

I have a suspicion that the actual crossing won't be re-opened but a new crossing built on Hollyrood St at the dogleg, there is already a pedestrian crossing here. More room for an approach from either side.
  balikoy Chief Commissioner

You want one of those Fords which are only 40 inches tall.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
If it is built, it is unlikely to be at the present crossing site - as alluded to in media reports.
  John_Proctor Train Controller

The only way I can see it happening is road 1m down, rail 1m up, and no trucks or buses allowed, only private vehicles
"AzN_dj"
If you want to allow pedestrians and cyclists, I think that you'd want 1.5 down and 1.5 up. A clearance of 2.6m might be sufficient.
"Speed"


Ahh yes. That would make more sense Smile How thick is a rail bridge anyways?
"AzN_dj"


you'll need to factor in structural depth and enoguh depth on the ramps leading down to hte base of the underpass as well...

even a minimum clearance design would need to be 4m height difference in teh middle I'd have thought to give you.  road base, height clearance, structural depth of rail bridge.
"John_Proctor"


So something like at bankstown in sydney, where 4wd's barely sqeak under.

http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11362853.htm
or this google maps link
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=-33.917707,151.03763&spn=0.001887,0.003449&t=h&z=19&vpsrc=0
"jedimasterc"


thanks for that... I think this is a perfectly good solution for probably a lot of melbournes 170 level crossings.

if Murrumbeena Road is done properly then why not just do Poath Road like this for local traffic?

some of hte ones on the upfield line coudl do this... Greville Street in Prahan.  etc.

might be more palatable than closing the crossings altogethor.
  jedimasterc Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
If you go into streetview you get a better idea and they are or have replaced that bridge at the moment. A little more room but still not high enough for trucks or buses.
  Bobman Locomotive Fireman

Having lived in the area my whole life, I think this is a joke.

People in the area have cried about their wooden gates, but now they won't have any gates at all. So, what exactly has been achieved?

South Road is so close to do a right-hand turn at and New Street never carried much traffic anyway.

How the hell could this have been fast-tracked over Centre/Clayton/Murrumbeena/Koornang/Poath Roads? Idiocy at its best & I hate Labor too.
  usedtobered Locomotive Fireman

Bobman, I too have lived in Briiighton all my life. I cannot believe it either, it is a chance to reward the wouldbe - couldbes for their liberal vote at the last election. Welcome to democracy- it's expensive, isn't it?
  SPSD40T2 Chief Commissioner

Location: Platform 9-3/4 and still waiting !!
But surely they could now permanently erect the old gates in the fixed position as a suitable and lasting memorial to all the good things of old, unencumbered by actually having to use them..lol

The lunatics have taken over the asylum.
  jedimasterc Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
the crossing for cars is already closed and as for pedestrians what is going to stop someone from jumping the white picket fence or the steel railings that I see on google earth.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=-37.932028,144.9934&spn=0.001794,0.003449&t=h&z=19&vpsrc=0

I think that maybe some better fencing and a pedestrian underground tunnel might be a better option. Such as these 2 examples at fairfield in Sydney.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=-33.88156,150.948224&spn=0.000472,0.001118&t=h&z=21&vpsrc=6
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=-33.874527,150.954666&spn=0.000944,0.002236&t=h&z=20&vpsrc=6

check the street view for a better look.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
the crossing for cars is already closed and as for pedestrians what is going to stop someone from jumping the white picket fence or the steel railings that I see on google earth.

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"jedimasterc"


The crossing Is open to pedestrians.

The gate keeper controls the pedestrian gates.

There Is no way New Street road crossing Is needed at at all.
  SteamtoStay Chief Commissioner

Location: Building floorplates
the crossing for cars is already closed and as for pedestrians what is going to stop someone from jumping the white picket fence or the steel railings that I see on google earth.
"jedimasterc"

The white picket fence is spiked and fairly tall, so anybody trying to jump over it is likely to receive a darwinesque injury.
  jedimasterc Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
the crossing for cars is already closed and as for pedestrians what is going to stop someone from jumping the white picket fence or the steel railings that I see on google earth.
"jedimasterc"

The white picket fence is spiked and fairly tall, so anybody trying to jump over it is likely to receive a darwinesque injury.
"SteamtoStay"


but it is not complete. I don't need to leap over it if I can just walk around it.

Now have a look at all the fencing on those underground tunnels / bridges and along the entire length of the rail line in the examples near fairfield that I linked to.

Fencing in either this form, brick wall or steel gate type fencing is representitve of the entire cityrail network. Even the only cityrail main road level crossing at parramatta road has fencing and automatic shutting gates for pedestrians.

This type of crossing with fencing would prevent young children accidentaly walking onto the tracks and give mothers a safer way of getting to the other side without risk of being hit by a train.

Re kurb both sides of the railway to close the crossing for cars permanently. Fence the entire rail network to prevent pedestrians crossing and put easily accesible underground or above ground pedestrian bridges or tunnels.
  SteamtoStay Chief Commissioner

Location: Building floorplates
the crossing for cars is already closed and as for pedestrians what is going to stop someone from jumping the white picket fence or the steel railings that I see on google earth.
"jedimasterc"

The white picket fence is spiked and fairly tall, so anybody trying to jump over it is likely to receive a darwinesque injury.
"SteamtoStay"

but it is not complete. I don't need to leap over it if I can just walk around it.
"jedimasterc"

It's long enough that if you're approaching from the north, it's easier to wait for a train to pass than to try to get past the fences. From the other directions, the fence could possibly use some extending.
  jedimasterc Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
the crossing for cars is already closed and as for pedestrians what is going to stop someone from jumping the white picket fence or the steel railings that I see on google earth.
"jedimasterc"

The white picket fence is spiked and fairly tall, so anybody trying to jump over it is likely to receive a darwinesque injury.
"SteamtoStay"

but it is not complete. I don't need to leap over it if I can just walk around it.
"jedimasterc"

It's long enough that if you're approaching from the north, it's easier to wait for a train to pass than to try to get past the fences. From the other directions, the fence could possibly use some extending.
"SteamtoStay"


no it's not long enough. you don't see anything like that in sydney. It is fenced off the entire length of the network in sydney. anybody with this fencing can still walk onto the tracks. The network needs to be totally segregated if the sort of incidents that have been occuring lately are to be prevented.

Also remember that the incidents have been occuring because people haven't been hearing the trains.
  usedtobered Locomotive Fireman

"Also remember that the incidents have been occuring because people haven't been hearing the trains."

No, cannot speak for other States, but sorry to correct you- it appears the recent ones in Melbourne occur because people ignore, barriesr/ booms/lights .
  jedimasterc Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
"Also remember that the incidents have been occuring because people haven't been hearing the trains."

No, cannot speak for other States, but sorry to correct you- it appears the recent ones in Melbourne occur because people ignore, barriesr/ booms/lights .
"usedtobered"


yes that is also correct but in the news up here I also heard that apparently the persons involved also did not hear the trains.

Regardless if you don't have people on the tracks then their is less chance of that occuring.
  tomohawk Chief Commissioner

Location: Getting The Met to get around
"Also remember that the incidents have been occuring because people haven't been hearing the trains."

No, cannot speak for other States, but sorry to correct you- it appears the recent ones in Melbourne occur because people ignore, barriesr/ booms/lights .
"usedtobered"


yes that is also correct but in the news up here I also heard that apparently the persons involved also did not hear the trains.

Regardless if you don't have people on the tracks then their is less chance of that occuring.
"jedimasterc"


She had an iPod in and she pushed open the emergency gate at a level crossing. No amount of fencing will prevent idiocy, I'm afraid.
  AzN_dj Chief Commissioner

Location: Along route 69

She had an iPod in and she pushed open the emergency gate at a level crossing. No amount of fencing will prevent idiocy, I'm afraid.
"tomohawk"


But not letting your kids have an iPod does seem like a plausible option.....
  Sprinterfresh Train Controller

Location: Knox or the Surf Coast
That is completely the wrong takeaway. The iPod didn't help, but the first mistake wasn't listening to music while walking across the tracks, it was bypassing the gate.

I say show kids footage of railway deaths in school. Scare them straight instead of applying another layer of cotton wool to the world. Endow them with self-responsibility instead of engendering the expectation that they may do what they please without ever suffering the consequences.

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